. >> darry williams. >> with regard to education is the solution, i dpree with you but my question is for all the panelists, is there enough evidence to conclusively educate and the reason why i ask that is because my dissertation when i'm finishing up asking the question does 287-g disproportionately affect the number of latino youth brought in the criminal justice system, there is not enough evidence or data sets available to even answer that question on a general level. before you can offer solutions and present possible policies that might actually work, you need to have the evidence as confidently as possible say what's going on, how we can make things better appearnd for that need congress and other research, rigorous research, there is a famous mark twain saying, there is lies, damn lies and statistics. you can present shoddy evidence to support your position, i would say do you think that evidence exists? >> let me respond to your question here. i, like you, am skeptical when it comes to evidence. i spent any life in a courtroom cross-examining people because i have an expert