one thing about goldy's comments about religion being off the table, there's an honus on them to sort lives and to sort of run as people, run, you know, to show themselves as likeable individuals. >> but, ken, that's up to them. that's up to them. >> but those families are not on trial, though. those families are not on trial. i don't really care what -- >> frankly, both of these candidates have, you know, are e religious backgrounds that were very important to them in shaping who they are. and so to an extent i don't think that the religious backgrounds or the churches to which they belong should be off the tachblt they're trying to have it both ways as do many kaeptds. they like to highlight their personal backgrounds but put other things off limits and it becomes tricky. i'm not in any way condoning such an atact, but nonetheless, you can see why it becomes a tricky balance for opponents who want to be able to take on the track records of these candidates while also respecting this line. >> goldy, ken's right, isn't he? because there hasn't been an event during the primary season t