i'm not trying to -- you know, it was a hard thing just because i knew -- i'd grown with john liebgard. i'd grown with it and become a part of me and all of a sudden i'm seeing this. i know it's a screen shot, but they made this a wonderful effort to make this be as shocking and as heartbreaking and realistic as humanly possible. and just -- i'm not jewish. so i wanted to study the jewish faith. i wanted to get into joe's skin a little bit and when this episode came along, as important as it was for the show, it just -- you know, we all lost something that episode. that was a rough time, but it was important. you know, we have to continue telling that story. you know, it can never, ever, ever be forgotten. it can never be, you know, remotely discussed that it didn't happen. so hopefully we managed to do that with the show. >> jimmy? >> we got -- i remember us getting -- we had good times as we shot. i mean, we joked around a lot. we had fun as you can tell. and i just remember getting the memo that this is going to be a very hard episode and let's just focus and concentrate on the job