they were at mason hawkins. the chief investment officer supported the move. they telegraphed some of their opinions, but have not agreed to do interviews and got them into any details about what else they want to do and as far as they are talking to icahn, he is comfortable operating as a one-man band, but we don't know. >> we appreciate it. i'm curious on your take on the company. there is a couple of different issues at interplay. can icahn do something with the 7.6% stake pitted against a larger shareholder and the fundamentals? >> it's an interesting story. chesapeake over the last two months had the worst period in corporate history. he started the company in 1989 and over two months had serious heat put on him. the other thing to note about the activist investor in this case, even the best investors in the market slightly over 500 and picked the wrong stories here. i think the underlying business is what's the fundamental issues. a huge debt load and they have been hurt. >> using the put spread and they have done this many times. always good to crack op