. >> nart senator, i will assure you, i will look at that report. and i wrote down you have a feeling they arrived with a prec preconceived notion. and so we will attack the report in that way and i clearly understand what you're talking about about real savings over the long hundred and other unintended consequences. the team should be focused on those and we'll ask those questions. >> great. again, i recognize the need. and as you know through our markup we did last year, i offered needs and savings and we tried to save the army a lot of money on miads and somehow got jacked back in and not by you guys but the house taken it back out so we're trying to save a few hundred million there. we're game to find the savings, but let's make sure they're sustainable savings. that's how we look at this. again, i have a series of other pieces, but you get the sense. the nepa analysis, when you build housing and all of these other things, it is all a cost that has to be figured into this. i appreciate that. let me end on one last comment, question, and that's

and think this, again, was the nart was shocking.his clemency plea basically or comation plea who says this is a perfect candidate for it. why doesn't it happen? >> this is the mystery of the story. you have a pardons office which is basically the gate keeper inside the department of justice. it's as old as the constitution. the founding fathers fought over whether a president should have the this kind of power and they really felt the president had the right to injustices and dispense mercy. what we're finding is a huge part of society is being left out without even the president knowing it. when we went into it, we look at is the president's power well deserved. in the case of clarence aaron where you have every single boggs checked, he's a model inmate, has had an extraordinary path during incarceration, and still he's a no. you know, the pardon's office, as we found, and we can talk about the statistics as you said, president obama has said no to thousands of people. two presidents have recommended 7,000 noes. seven a dafr workin