. >> stephen koger. stephen koger has more influence .he admired linda greenhouse do the job better than anyone ever has. when he goes after the court for citizens united, instructed his own pact, when he interviews the 90-year-old justice stevens, he kind of beats them up and display the way and asked him do regret any decision in your locker? and he says only the decision to give this interview. [laughter] [laughter] >> that is part of the equation. >> i fully understand your question. and i actually think that we may be at a tipping point where it may be headed back in the other direction. remember the last confirmation was that elena kagan was -- people don't watch to the degree they have watched. the ratings are actually starting to go down. in fact, even the networks stopped covering. you have to look around to find. they didn't do a double double. he watched it all day and all night. that's the way it used to be. to the extent that it has become a kind of performance, people are getting turned off. i think, you know, we may have re