here now are two cnbc contributors, tony fratto, former white house deputy press secretary, and bob lutzest car guys in the planet. i'll begin with you, bob. listen. the camaro is hot. the volt is starting to come back a little bit. we're seeing car sales maybe top 15 million nationally this year. what the heck is wrong with gm's stock? >> you know, i can't explain it. i think investors are overly focused on the fact that gm is losing money in europe, like everybody else. and of course all of the equities are down. but the fact is that general motors is in spectacular shape. sales are great. expanding once again the world's largest car producer, and highly profitable. so if you look at the fundamentals, the fundamentals are fantastic. otherwise warren buffett wouldn't have just bought $10 million worth of shares. >> but tony, something is dragging the stock down. i mean, we still got a cost structure that is a concern. we've still got europe that is a concern. >> no question pensions and europe, and, you know, a lot of other costs. we had a company that came out with a relatively clean b