message is very different than what turns out has actually been happening so let's go now to declan mccullagh chief political correspondent for seen at hey there declan i guess first i just want to get your reaction to this news that it was in fact the u.s. and israel behind stuxnet that and other similar programs. well i first want to say that this is very good reporting by david sanger who's of the new york times is washington bureau i think he was there and she d.c. correspondent does part of a book is coming out next week and in some of the times is running it so that's why this is really nicely done my reaction to this is what we thought was the case everyone had pretty much assumed that it's the u.s. and or israel probably working together what we didn't know was that this was a program put in place by george w. bush and then president obama continued it so with the details especially the white house's involvement we didn't know but the u.s. is really you know that was the general assumption before today yes certainly an interesting article by david sanger it seems this is just a small

process now their argument was that it should be considered a national security secret and is declan mccullagh explain to us last year congressional approval isn't necessary. if this were a formal treaty. this would require the executive branch to sign on it and it would require ratification by the u.s. senate. because this isn't something that the us needs to sign on because. in the final version arline actually your list tracks the text of there's nothing that the senate needs to do. well just because that's how obama saw it doesn't mean that the rest of america agrees anything that involves an international treaty agreement or whatever you want to label it should be publicly discussed in fact senator ron wyden addressed this issue during a senate finance committee hearing. looking over our shoulder with respect to whether or not we've done something that could cause an act of party nation to sue it's my question on this point is all over the world you've got parliaments and legislators having debate the people's representatives having debates on whether or not to pass act and why shouldn't