that john dohr, he won't even return my telephone calls, it's really awful. one time, john took exception to the fact that i think it was i had written a memo for mr. hutchison of michigan, the ranking member, at the request of sam garrison and i think sam asked me to deliver it to mr. hutchison and john said i didn't know about this. i got caught in the middle on that. and i was kind of inned middle because i was on both sides. i had a lot of different jobs, long politics, and a house liberal and icon servetive administration witness. the ed meese justice department, and a house conservative and liberal administration, witnessed the nixon impeachment. and i don't like either one. would rather be right in the middle of the road administration. had to get my own administration. >> tell us about working with hillary rodham. >> very close relationship. very decent -- just a very decent person. and if i recall correctly on the occasion when i got in the middle and john dohr got frowny faced with me, which he shouldn't have, by the way. i was doing my duty. i thin

. >> how do you get hired by john dohr? >> how do i get hired by john dohr? i got to go back even before being hired by john. as i said i was an assistant u.s. attorney and i went to harvard law school and i met a lot of people obviously at harvard who i knew very well, one of whom was archie cox who was one of my professor at agency and phil highman who was a contemporary of mine in law school. he was a year ahead of me. he was in scalia's class. and i get a call from the special counsel, the independent counsel, the special prosecutor which had been appointed as a result of watergate. this is prior to the impeachment proceedings. any impeachment proceedings. this, of course, the special counsel archie cox is ultimately fired and that results in the firestorm that causes the house judiciary committee impeachment inquiry. so i get a call six, seven, eight nine months before from phil highman i think i got the call, some senior member of the staff who i knew from law school. they called to ask me to come down to consider joining their staff to leaving my law f