lmplg p. p l. patrick ray and the cia. and when we heard the tapes, it had an impact. and it did have an impact on doar. maybe doar -- yonl he can speak for himself -- but would have reached a conclusion that would have reached impeachment, without our tapes, i don't know what conclusion he would have reached. i don't know what we would have done at that point. >> did he give you a sense of what he was thinking, or did he not share it? how did it work? >> what he said we have to do, he didn't give us thi