ms. meieirs. those others never came to a vote on the floor. the circumstances are quite different. we were talking about political intervention and the hiring of u.s. attorneys for having them retain their positions, political intervention from the white house and the very rigid in a very political manner. far be it from me to speak about this issue because he lies to cummings was --elijah cummings conducted himself well in the hearings yesterday in a very fair way. the particular is of the cases are very different. as you know, we won our case and the court ruled in our favor and i can only speak to our own experienced. >> ranking member cummings yesterday's said he would become one of the most extreme speakers that have ever watched over the house. do you agree? >> i defer to the superior knowledge and wisdom of mr. cummings on the subject. i know that this case is very different from what we had before a few years ago. >> to see -- do you see any problem solving the student laws retroactively? >> yes. >> the interest rate will only apply to new amounts, not to current rates that