>> i think offcom probably is the right body to decide issues of policy. i don't envision it replacing the pcc. i don't think i said that in my speech, by the way. >> i think it's an inference they're drawing rather than something you stated expressly, you're right about that. then subsequently they say that your statutory control, they say this is specious in the eyes of the public, the two are quite distinct. ignores the point if people don't like a newspaper you cannot buy them. he cannot be so naive putting them under statutory regulation can make them do anything other than obedient to the government of the day. do you accept that charge of naivete or not? >> i think in the speech i never went so far as to propose that. but, no, i think, look, the notion that it is impossible to find a space between no proper system of accountability and the press becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of the government of the day, i think that is an assertion that is frankly ludicrous. >> the "daily mail" or it may not have been the "daily mail" the 13th of june, 2007, t

for a start, the thing that we did, which is boost offcom, is the thing he absolutely disliked. and it was often written about this. channel 5 was not his -- i mean i never thought he was behind channel 5. channel 3 would have been a far better fit for him and that he was unable to do. i mean my thing within this communications act, because i did talk to the ministers about it several times, my thing was very much to do with trying to open up the media ownership thing. this issue to do with media ownership, i mean i have a view on this that is different from many people who worry about media power. you know, there are two elements sometimes people worry about. concentration of media ownership. sometimes people worry about foreign owners coming into the british media space. i thought the first was always best dealt with as a competition issue. i thought the second, i just disagreed with people, that if you said, okay, to any foreign owner, you're going to now put all the media in british hands, i wasn't ever sure that was going to produce a different situation. i actually remembe

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