write about him some in the book, because he was what -- i write about some the academics that come, shoeman came, and able from columbia, who conducted a survey of young nazis saying why did you join the party? just as hitler had come to power. and it was a very interesting survey, some people felt it was too sympathetic and there was e reluctance to publish it, but shoeman is one of the, he was clear eyed of what was happening in germany, some came in and got it right away, and others did not. howard k smith, the early reporter who became an anchor put i thought -- put it i thought smartly. he said there's four stages when a visitor comes to nazi injuger, one, it's a great place, things are orderly. everyone seems happy. and the unemployment seems to have disappeared. second stage is, wow, there are a lot of people in uniforms. there's, you know, there's a loft military stuff going on, a lot of marching, but it's still exciting. all the armies of young men, very handsome going through. third stage is oh, my god. why are they marching, why are they being taught the commands. to kill and to

their dark money project is produced with support from the shoeman media center of which i'm president. their latest issue of "mother jones" is a spellbinding look at dark money's history in the 40 years since the watergate scandal brought down richard nixon in a tangled web of break-ins and bad men. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> thank you, bill. >> love your cover, want to buy an election? dracula with his jacket open and american flag in it. want to buy an election? both parties play this game. both parties raise as much money as they can, go as close lo the law as they can will do almost anything to raise it. is there some distinction between the money that flows through the republican party and the money that flows through the democratic party? >> it used to be more equivalent than it is today. we remember covering the clinton era scandals, and at that time that was really a time when we saw the democratic party being turning to big business and to wall street for funding that was no longer coming from organized labor and other democratic constituencies that lost the clout

their dark money project is produced with support from the shoeman media center of which i'm president. their latest issue of "mother jones" is a spellbinding look at dark money's history in the 40 years since the watergate scandal brought down richard nixon in a tangled web of break-ins and bad men. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> thank you, bill. >> love your cover, want to buy an election? dracula with his jacket open and american flag in it. want to buy an election? both parties play this game. both parties raise as much money as they can, go as close lo the law as they can will do almost anything to raise it. is there some distinction between the money that flows through the republican party and the money that flows through the democratic party? >> it used to be more equivalent than it is today. we remember covering the clinton era scandals, and at that time that was really a time when we saw the democratic party being turning to big business and to wall street for funding that was no longer coming from organized labor and other democratic constituencies that lost the clout