i attended the meeting in 1990 when spurnlgen announced they would be creating a position, which i got. because i was the least expensive candidate and it's been downhill ever since. i spent the last three years in the white house working as the president's advisers on nuclear issues and really fortunate for that experience, but for a nuclear waft like myself, to be given that access and understand for the first time, really what goes into all of these different questions that we're dealing with as the general knows very, very well, the minutia really can overwhelm you, but you have to understand it before tackling the larger questions, calculus and stability. not to worry about single shot kill probability and change ratios, but to really understand the thinking of different services and different constituents before you pick a number at say where you're feeling you should come out and i think one thing i would like people to take away is that the administration's been very careful l to take the advice more of us were given years ago, which is don't tell the operators how to operate.