so the brc talks about parallel. how far along, in your opinion, do we need to be toward a permanent site before you start opening an interim site or a consolidated site? >> i'm very happy to begin. a lot farther along than we are now. i'll start with that. i think, and as i outlined extensively in my written testimony, there's a long and, i think it's safe to say, torturous history of the repository program as well as sputtering attempts at an interim storage program. and as dr. metlay, i think, effectively outlined today, it's the countries that are having any progress are countries that have resolved the allocations of power. and if we don't do that, and i have a set of suggestions in my testimony as to how we begin to do that in a more thoughtful way that avoids the mistakes of the pass, i think we could do it. but congress has a significant amount of work to do before we do anything remotely related to site selections or moving forward on that front. and that includes storage or that includes final -- >> mr. orr