. >> obama declared a de facto amnesty for all illegal aliens under 30 years of age, if you've got a good, clean record, you've served in the military, which is something you can do, but he's declared he's not going to enforce law. >> it's prosecutorial discretion, pat. if you have limited resources, you don't deport people. >> he tells a group of people, i'm not going to enforce the law against. >> it's prepostorrous. >> it's well within his constitutional rights. >> how can he decide whom he's going to enforce the law against? not these folks but those folks? >> he's said several times this. the president must enforce the law. he himself, obama said this. >> i don't notice any constitutional challenges. >>> immigration as an issue, believe it or not, does not score very high on the american think board. out of 15 issues ant. >> there are guns on the list. let me tell something you, you start to restrict guns, it will be right up there very high, and people will want to run away from. that john that group of issues you've got are sort of general things. there are cultural, moral, so

we have essentially de facto amnesty for this particular group of people. megyn: they only get work permits. >> correct but we all know once we go down this road eventually citizenship will be part of the package. it's not as of yet, but this is usually the path it goes. and then on top of it now we have this extra cost to the taxpayer, and the most important thing i think is that this is such a vehicle for expanding and growing government, because as you mentioned the department of homeland security now is going to have to hire about 1400 new employees to process all of these applications. megyn: they have to do that because already the republicans are objecting that those are waiting in line that didn't come into the country i will lying alley that those folks shouldn't have their applications delayed because now dhs has to lock at the application beings of the entire 800,000, how many it is group of illegal young aliens. they have to hire more people and it costs money. >> of course it cost money but it's also about growing government. not only is the ta

on a temporary basis, this is the fact of amnesty -- de facto. if you are allowed to stay when you are here illegally, you did to stay. how many illegals would be given work permits? >> they can apply for work authorization. they will have to meet the standards for being eligible for authorization. the linkage between deferred to action and the work authorization application goes back to the 1980's. >> whatever the requirements are. there will be two or 300,000 people -- we have three or 400,000 people out of work. >> yes, and there are -- if i may back up because this was an issue that i thought about the plea before i wrote my memo. jobs for americans are very important. my conclusion was that there are lots of different ways to stimulate job creation. some of them are before the congress. we should not balance the american economy on the backs of children who were brought here -- >> with all due respect, because of the time, i would like to have a system -- a succinct answer. how many people as a result of this that are illegal in this country