he told his attorney, i'm gonna talk to furman.i take him to a little room and talk to him for 40 minutes, without his lawyer there [ talking over each other ] >> listen guys, what you've got is an example of arrogance, no fear of law enforcement. doctor, back to you. you say that he's like a sociopath we all know there is something off here. how does a guy like this get on a police force? don't they have evaluations for this stuff? >> great question. most people who go into law enforcement do it for the right reasons. there's a relatively small subset thank goodness who go into it to exert power over others. >> judge jeanine: why did an evaluation? >> they do try to catch it. different departments have different -- [ talking over each other ] >> he may have been good at concealing that. >> we have to analyze how he was as a police officer. beside the hiccup in his younger career when he was fired and reinstated what has been the abuse, the problem that made him such a bad police officer? nothing. how can we cast stick gate the pro

jim furman has joined us and he has said their names need to be cleared. they were not at fault. in addition, the attorney for the 17 marines who were killed in the back of that plane, brian alexander and his associate, frances young in new york, he has joined. people like phil cool has joined, rex rivolo has joined. these were experts within the d.o.d. system that knew this plane and know that these gentlemen were not at fault. even though he is deceased, god rest his soul, mike wallace did a major 60 minutes piece on this accident -- a major "60 minutes" piece on this accident two years after it happened, yet everything in that show showed that these two fellows were put into a situation they were not trained for, they did not know how to react to an issue call vortex ring state, i'll touch on that in a moment. the real stradge diof all this is all the families want is an official document that will say their husbands were not at fault. mr. speaker, it's gotten kind of ironic to me because we have spent 10 years, i'm not going to try to say to you, tonight, or anyone watching,