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why there is more struggle in east kurdistan is an important question.m, a system that is not open. it is a regime. we are living in the 21st century. they are living in the middle ages. by the name of islam, they execute the women. they use shariah and islam for their own purposes. this is not true islam. >> i want to bring in a reporter from vice and online news and cultural magazine who brought us the story. thomas morton, and thomas, first of all you went to northern iraq and you were told to be interviewing kurdish female guerrilla fighters on the front lines fighting side by side with men, and we see the video and see them shooting the rifles and when you got there, what did you find out? >> well, suzanne, we spent a couple of days kind of meeting the leadership and making pl pleasantries and the whole division was to be put in a division of women soldiers and you see them since the kurdish liberation of the '70s and the '80s after the liberation from saddam, they have a role of being fierce fighters and very weird middle east part of the region, a
why there is more struggle in east kurdistan is an important question.m, a system that is not open. it is a regime. we are living in the 21st century. they are living in the middle ages. by the name of islam, they execute the women. they use shariah and islam for their own purposes. this is not true islam. >> i want to bring in a reporter from vice and online news and cultural magazine who brought us the story. thomas morton, and thomas, first of all you went to northern iraq and you were...
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vehicle was blown up on a roadside bomb officials blame the attack on the kurdistan workers party which is seeking the establishment of an all of us homeland let's talk about this more now with jeremy salt professor of middle east history of the politics of bill cohen university live in ankara thanks for coming on the program today as you were listening to what we're talking about here now that turkey is saying that it can strike at the kurdish separatists i mean is this giving itself a green light in other words to attack syria. i don't think so but i think that the government has been surprised by recent developments and developments which took place a couple months ago was that the president. brokered a meeting between the syrian. and persuades them to paper over the differences as a result of that they apparently take control of a number of towns close to the turkish border the main group in this is the democratic union has close ties with the k.k. so from the point of view of bunker what is now seeing is the shaping up of the enclave on the other side of its border and this of cour
vehicle was blown up on a roadside bomb officials blame the attack on the kurdistan workers party which is seeking the establishment of an all of us homeland let's talk about this more now with jeremy salt professor of middle east history of the politics of bill cohen university live in ankara thanks for coming on the program today as you were listening to what we're talking about here now that turkey is saying that it can strike at the kurdish separatists i mean is this giving itself a green...
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at what happened in 2007, look at what happened in latvia, lithuania, georgia,izer buy january, kurdistan and other countries hit by cyber attacks we've gone from escalating networks for sblegt property to attacks. these attacks have been disruptive in nature. this is like the kids all screaming at once at supper time. it happened every night. and -- that was the joke. i'm sorry. the kids screaming every night and you're trying to talk, have a conversation. you can't community indicate. as soon as they're quiet, you can communicate. in a disruptive or distributed service attack is much like that. the communication pipes are filled up with this spam or got net email that's distributed through the service and there are different versions of this that either block the communications channel or use up the computer capability of your system. either way you can't communicate. as soon as that stops and that's cleared out. you can go back to communications. what i am concerned about and what i think we really need to be concerned about is when these transition from disruptive to destructive attac
at what happened in 2007, look at what happened in latvia, lithuania, georgia,izer buy january, kurdistan and other countries hit by cyber attacks we've gone from escalating networks for sblegt property to attacks. these attacks have been disruptive in nature. this is like the kids all screaming at once at supper time. it happened every night. and -- that was the joke. i'm sorry. the kids screaming every night and you're trying to talk, have a conversation. you can't community indicate. as soon...
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he also served in the peace corps in kurdistan. >>> loan athletic department money in order to pay a $60 million fine. the school's president says a combination of funds including the football program's reserved fund will be used to pay the fine. last week the ncaa handed down the fine for covering up. penn state received a four-year bowl game ban. >>> president obama heads to new york today to raise money for his campaign. he will attend a dinner and fund-raiser at manhattan's nomad hotel. the president tried to make up some ground here in the fund-raising department. mitt romney has out-raised him for two straight months. president obama will campaign in leesburg, virginia, on thursday. and mitt romney travels to poland today. his final stop on his of one-week overseas trip. the presumptive nominee spent the weekend in israel. he declared jerusalem the capital of the jewish state yesterday. romney vowed to do everything in his power to protect israel from iran. >> ayatollah is in tehran are testing our moral defenses. do you want to know who will object and who will look the other
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was founded in two thousand and one then you went to national body in one thousand china kazakstan kurdistan russia to egypt is down and was back to stand was initially given the cold shoulder by the west things changed after barack obama became us president that was when nato started seeking as you always systems in normalizing the situation in afghanistan and the latest meeting of the. last month afghanistan joint for other countries iran india pakistan and when gaulier with observer status the beijing meeting supported iran's right to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes rejected any military intervention in syria and then they to me sell defense and you win the the borders of a c. all member states the decisions only tense if i the only one is ations image as a counterbalance to the nato alliance. summit of the past year has been attended by mahmoud ahmadinejad who is an odds with the us which is up at the i'm not going to ask you if this was a deliberate demonstration off some anti western movement although it clearly have to place but i'm sure you will definitely denied it but. i w
was founded in two thousand and one then you went to national body in one thousand china kazakstan kurdistan russia to egypt is down and was back to stand was initially given the cold shoulder by the west things changed after barack obama became us president that was when nato started seeking as you always systems in normalizing the situation in afghanistan and the latest meeting of the. last month afghanistan joint for other countries iran india pakistan and when gaulier with observer status...
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people have been injured in clashes at an unsanctioned rally in southeastern turkey in support of the kurdistan workers party is imprisoned leader protesters want him put under house arrest instead of being in jail officers fired tear gas and water cannon at an angry mob who hurled rocks the party which wants a separate kurdish state in turkey is considered a terrorist group by the country. thousands have gathered in northwest pakistan and the anger of the real printing of nato supply lines through a country town of ghana stan demonstrators carried banners and waved fly. denouncing the decision as a lot of clothes the root of last november after a u.s. drone strike killed twenty four pakistani soldiers but only reopen them earlier this month after washington about actually apologized. russia has changed its adoption agreement with the united states following several cases of abuse and neglect it calls for more cooperation and transparency when vulnerable children are taken in by american families aren't as much of a question about explains. just some eight kilometers from the canadian border st
people have been injured in clashes at an unsanctioned rally in southeastern turkey in support of the kurdistan workers party is imprisoned leader protesters want him put under house arrest instead of being in jail officers fired tear gas and water cannon at an angry mob who hurled rocks the party which wants a separate kurdish state in turkey is considered a terrorist group by the country. thousands have gathered in northwest pakistan and the anger of the real printing of nato supply lines...
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it parts of northern syria are already in control under the control of could they call it western kurdistan parts of northern syria but i think the turkish authorities will be happy with that for the blowback for the united states last time they went around doing this alarming these jihadists sending special forces and so forth we got september the eleventh two thousand and one and the attacks on the world trade center in the pentagon the white house while the saudis are obviously on the qataris are over sending in their arms across the border is interesting that saudi arabia is also having problems at home i don't think you'll see the mainstream media want to cover problems in saudi arabia that oil superpower in the oil rich east of the country they will no doubt get the arms and i noticed that the syrian foreign minister being over in tehran and already the american press talking about syria's w m d and the chemical weapons i don't think this time around the west are going to intervene using their means they're going to they're going to go the proxy way they did in afghanistan. if you wan
it parts of northern syria are already in control under the control of could they call it western kurdistan parts of northern syria but i think the turkish authorities will be happy with that for the blowback for the united states last time they went around doing this alarming these jihadists sending special forces and so forth we got september the eleventh two thousand and one and the attacks on the world trade center in the pentagon the white house while the saudis are obviously on the...
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have been injured in clashes at an unsanctioned rally in southeastern turkey and support of the kurdistan workers party is imprisoned leader protesters want have put under house arrest instead of being in jail officers fired tear gas and water cannon at an angry mob who hurled rocks the party which wants a separate kurdish state in turkey is considered a terrorist group by the country. thousands have gathered in northwest pakistan in anger of the agree opening of nato supply lines through the country and to afghanistan demonstrators carried banners and waved flags denouncing their decision islam about close the route last november after a u.s. drone strike killed twenty four pakistani soldiers it only reopened them earlier this month after washington eventually apologized. campaign groups operating in russia that are funded from abroad and involved in politics are likely to face tougher scrutiny they country's lower house of parliament has given the green light to a bill forcing such organizations to register as foreign agents such groups will have to undergo financial audits and to issue
have been injured in clashes at an unsanctioned rally in southeastern turkey and support of the kurdistan workers party is imprisoned leader protesters want have put under house arrest instead of being in jail officers fired tear gas and water cannon at an angry mob who hurled rocks the party which wants a separate kurdish state in turkey is considered a terrorist group by the country. thousands have gathered in northwest pakistan in anger of the agree opening of nato supply lines through the...
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that with this because he has some of the drape things of a protest state kind of like an iraqi kurdistan with its own flag and so on what you would fact italy is a civil war that's carried out at the ballot box where different sects and tribes are running candidates against one another and trying to dominate the countrymen that way that's not a recipe for democracy there's just not ready. this is r.t. the deadline for julian assange extradition to sweden as ordered by britain's highest court expired this saturday there was a blow out remains at the ecuadorian embassy in london where british police have no jurisdiction is currently awaiting a decision on his asylum request to the south american country but shortly before he sought refuge there sandra produced his latest and much talked about interview show exclusively on our see the latest episode aired on our on our channel that was just last week now so our teaser laura smith now takes us through the highlights of the series. i'm julian assange. it is true when he wakes expose the world secrets these jackets belong the united states gov
that with this because he has some of the drape things of a protest state kind of like an iraqi kurdistan with its own flag and so on what you would fact italy is a civil war that's carried out at the ballot box where different sects and tribes are running candidates against one another and trying to dominate the countrymen that way that's not a recipe for democracy there's just not ready. this is r.t. the deadline for julian assange extradition to sweden as ordered by britain's highest court...
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that would be carved out is just not viable you know lots of people like to talk about independent kurdistan but neither iraq nor iran nor turkey is going to let that happen iraq is going to have to learn to to sink or swim together and i think they're going to and i just want to come back to one point maliki is dictator have a real problem with maliki is the duly formed prime minister of the country based on a electoral results now is he doing some things i don't approve of well well sure but to call him a dictator it's just not true he did not seize power he has a legitimate electorial claim on political power that he's going to have to defend in the two thousand and fourteen elections and if he's voted out he's voted out but what do you think about the term dictator from molecule go ahead well as a bit rough i must admit but the reality is that he does can control the judiciary he did not appoint and go to the parliament with regard to the ministry of defense and the minister of interior you know the people that control the security forces and of course he is going after his political opp
that would be carved out is just not viable you know lots of people like to talk about independent kurdistan but neither iraq nor iran nor turkey is going to let that happen iraq is going to have to learn to to sink or swim together and i think they're going to and i just want to come back to one point maliki is dictator have a real problem with maliki is the duly formed prime minister of the country based on a electoral results now is he doing some things i don't approve of well well sure but...
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we've already seen that with this to see how some of the drape the a statement of like an iraqi kurdistan with its own flag and so on and then just one final question consent of islamist dominating to this vote is that really what the west the nato and its allies wanted when they supported the bringing down a good death in the first place. i think that what the west wanted was to control to get better access to libya's oil of course if libya wasn't an energy state this invasion would never have taken place and it wasn't in beijing in many ways and certainly the air support was not to be discounted in in changing the outcome of the rebels very clearly there's money pouring in from outside and we're not really sure exactly where it's coming from but when i when i'm guessing such things i try to look at who are the usual suspects i would certainly start with saudi arabia pakistan and so on these are the countries that tend to fund these radical islamist factions and they have energy concerns chio political and religious concerns and ideological affiliations that make libya tempting place to
we've already seen that with this to see how some of the drape the a statement of like an iraqi kurdistan with its own flag and so on and then just one final question consent of islamist dominating to this vote is that really what the west the nato and its allies wanted when they supported the bringing down a good death in the first place. i think that what the west wanted was to control to get better access to libya's oil of course if libya wasn't an energy state this invasion would never have...
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seen that with this because he has some of the drape things of a kroto state kind of like an iraqi kurdistan with its own flag and so on what you would practically is a civil war that's carried out at the ballot box where different sects and tribes are running candidates against one another and trying to dominate their countrymen that way that's not a recipe for democracy if they're she just not ready. the deadline for june in the sand his extradition to sweden as ordered by britain's highest court expired this saturday the whistleblower remains at the ecuadorian embassy in london where british police have no jurisdiction he's currently awaiting a decision on his asylum request to the south american country but surely before he sought refuge there sanj completed his on t.v. interview series has been looking back at the highlights. from julian assange. it is true of wiki leaks where they expose the world secrets these documents belong the united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemned this question because. it promised an insight into the world tomorr
seen that with this because he has some of the drape things of a kroto state kind of like an iraqi kurdistan with its own flag and so on what you would practically is a civil war that's carried out at the ballot box where different sects and tribes are running candidates against one another and trying to dominate their countrymen that way that's not a recipe for democracy if they're she just not ready. the deadline for june in the sand his extradition to sweden as ordered by britain's highest...
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southeast turkey after their vehicle was blown up in a roadside bomb officials blame the attack on the kurdistan workers' party which is seeking the establishment of a new tone of this homeland earlier turkey had warned it would take action against kurdish rebels in northern syria fearing the creation of a kurdish enclave there could provide a sanctuary to the separatists. police in tunisia have fired warning shots and tear gas at protesters who attacked a preventable government headquarters agri over poor living conditions demonstrators also tried to set fire to the local office of the ruling islamised party after bursting into it last year the country's long time dictator was driven from power by a revolt which sparked the arab spring. thousands of people have rallied in the romanian capital bucharest in support of the president who is facing impeachment referendum on sunday i am bus e'squus backers believe his opponents are trying to seize control of european union funds however his rivals are claiming the president was meddling in government business the political turmoil began after a new o
southeast turkey after their vehicle was blown up in a roadside bomb officials blame the attack on the kurdistan workers' party which is seeking the establishment of a new tone of this homeland earlier turkey had warned it would take action against kurdish rebels in northern syria fearing the creation of a kurdish enclave there could provide a sanctuary to the separatists. police in tunisia have fired warning shots and tear gas at protesters who attacked a preventable government headquarters...
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protests kind of like an iraqi kurdistan with its own flag and so on what you would practically is a civil war that's carried out at the ballot box where different sects and tribes are running candidates against one another and trying to dominate their countrymen that way that's not a recipe for democracy there's just not ready. live from moscow this is our scene other deadline for julian saunders extradition to sweden as ordered by britain's highest court expired this saturday there was a well i with remains of the ecuadorian embassy in london where british police have no jurisdiction he's currently awaiting a decision on his asylum request to the south american country but shortly before he sought refuge there a song produced his latest and much talked about interview show an exclusive r.t. program the last installment this week on r.t. correspondent laura smith goes over the highlights. through which we've exposed the world secrets these jackets belong the united states government being attacked by the united states strongly condemn this question because. it promised an insight in
protests kind of like an iraqi kurdistan with its own flag and so on what you would practically is a civil war that's carried out at the ballot box where different sects and tribes are running candidates against one another and trying to dominate their countrymen that way that's not a recipe for democracy there's just not ready. live from moscow this is our scene other deadline for julian saunders extradition to sweden as ordered by britain's highest court expired this saturday there was a well...
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independent kurdistan more than iraq. in syria the prime minister of turkey on the one hand is a very vigorous supporter of of the foreign regime but. like. but also saying he will not color right establishment of any kind of. independent and rule kurdish and on the border with turkey. as for the governments of might want to and. so on and see what they want in one sense that it would have a sensory input on. all sorts of i would call a concert across the border than turkey into lebanon or into other parts not mark apart from that the long term broader perspective of what is going to be in syria and what the future holds are certainly we're getting reports here that officials and i have started closely monitoring the weather conditions in syria it's leading to speculation could they be preparing to launch an air strike is that wild speculation or perhaps you see any truth in that. well certainly. her intervention whether it was a major strike or. monetary and so on the board with the weather is a very. risky but also who.
independent kurdistan more than iraq. in syria the prime minister of turkey on the one hand is a very vigorous supporter of of the foreign regime but. like. but also saying he will not color right establishment of any kind of. independent and rule kurdish and on the border with turkey. as for the governments of might want to and. so on and see what they want in one sense that it would have a sensory input on. all sorts of i would call a concert across the border than turkey into lebanon or into...
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it decided to work actively with the iraqi government and also with the kurdistan regional government both at the same time. and this was especially what occurred was a huge step, but even baghdad at that time was a big step because it didn't really trust the shiite parties in control. and in 2009 it signed a number of agreements with baghdad which until this moment exist on paper anyway. but at that time there was a lot of hope and promise that these would be implemented. it also was the krg in particular as developed very close bonds and is talking about a, quote-unquote, strategic partnership with the krg into the turkish economy. so these are unprecedented at that time anyway, were unprecedented steps. then the relationship with the iraqi government in 2011 took a nose dive. even as the relationship with erbil continued to go up. and now what turkey's doing in its relationship with iraq is, actually, contributing to the centrifugal forces already in existence in iraq and driving the country apart. this is not what turkey says its strategic interest is, and so it leaves us confused
it decided to work actively with the iraqi government and also with the kurdistan regional government both at the same time. and this was especially what occurred was a huge step, but even baghdad at that time was a big step because it didn't really trust the shiite parties in control. and in 2009 it signed a number of agreements with baghdad which until this moment exist on paper anyway. but at that time there was a lot of hope and promise that these would be implemented. it also was the krg...
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it just takes a lot of us, so i'm forwarding these facts to every shaman, tuk tuk driver, sherpa, kurdistan
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nugget had been retired and the company had found them good families who were going to adopt them in kurdistan, good homes. that's when terry crisp came along and asked if the dogs could be donated to spca international. the contractor agreed. but terry crisp didn't tell the viewers that. what she did tell us is if we just gave her money, spca international would be doing something few americans could resist, saving the pets of our iraq and afghan vets. and that's where peggy comes in. when this showed up, what did you think? >> to be honest, when this showed up, i opened it up, this is what i saw, i thought this was fantastic. i was on board because i thought, saving animals and supporting the troops, you know, what two things could be better? >> reporter: what peggy got in the mails with a plea from the spca international and operation baghdad pups. a direct mail package from the fund-raising powerhouse quadriga art, the guilt package, as they are called in the business, included this t-shirt, a tote bag, and letters of thanks. peggy decided to do a little research. >> six cents out of a dol
nugget had been retired and the company had found them good families who were going to adopt them in kurdistan, good homes. that's when terry crisp came along and asked if the dogs could be donated to spca international. the contractor agreed. but terry crisp didn't tell the viewers that. what she did tell us is if we just gave her money, spca international would be doing something few americans could resist, saving the pets of our iraq and afghan vets. and that's where peggy comes in. when...
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horne served in a peace corps in kurdistan. he hiked the appalachian trail at the age of 19. >>> police where are called out to retrieve a live grenade at their house. a man find a live world war ii grenade in his family home in roanoke. the police bomb squad retrieved the grenade without any problems. a few days ago a fredericksburg family found a grenade in the bottom of a military trunk. >>> this morning we're going to check the forecast, but first, you talk about dan hellie being drenched, tom kierein is going to tell us if there's any more rain for the olympians in london. >> a lot of outdoor events there today. there is the sky. live view over the olympic stadium in london. now you can see it's partly cloudy there now. they're going to have cool weather. in fact, highs there today only in the mid 60s. and a light wind coming out of the southwest under a partly sunny skies. flesh cool whether there for the pl olympians. klummy clouds. clear right over washington. 76 at reagan national. run size is at 6:08. it's rather humi
horne served in a peace corps in kurdistan. he hiked the appalachian trail at the age of 19. >>> police where are called out to retrieve a live grenade at their house. a man find a live world war ii grenade in his family home in roanoke. the police bomb squad retrieved the grenade without any problems. a few days ago a fredericksburg family found a grenade in the bottom of a military trunk. >>> this morning we're going to check the forecast, but first, you talk about dan...
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it just takes a lot of us, so i'm forwarding these facts to every shaman, tuk tuk driver, sherpa, kurdistanowner, iguana butcher, and ozark squirrel chef i've ever met. text "give" to 777444 to donate $10 and forward the facts. the global ready one ? yeah, but you won't need... ♪ hajimemashite. hajimemashite. hajimemashite. you guys like football ? thank you so much. i'm stoked. you stoked ? totally. ... and he says, "under the mattress." souse le matelas. ( laughter ) why's the new guy sending me emails from paris ? paris, france ? verizon's 4g lte devices are global-ready. plus, global data for just $25. only from verizon. they claim the resulting back that you see here has just revealed a tiny piece of matter which may be that missing link, the god particle. greg palkot with the news now from our london bureau. >> harris, it amazing break through with a pretty normal name. higgs peter higgs the facist who came up with the idea 50 years ago and bowston subatomic particle. here is how they broke the news today in switzerland. >> this is very very important. this is why not everybody is not
it just takes a lot of us, so i'm forwarding these facts to every shaman, tuk tuk driver, sherpa, kurdistanowner, iguana butcher, and ozark squirrel chef i've ever met. text "give" to 777444 to donate $10 and forward the facts. the global ready one ? yeah, but you won't need... ♪ hajimemashite. hajimemashite. hajimemashite. you guys like football ? thank you so much. i'm stoked. you stoked ? totally. ... and he says, "under the mattress." souse le matelas. ( laughter )...
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it just takes a lot of us, so i'm forwarding these facts to every shaman, tuk tuk driver, sherpa, kurdistane owner, iguana butcher, and ozark squirrel chef i've ever met. text "give" to 777444 to donate $10 and forward the facts. >> mike: we are back be with the panel. and i just want to have sort of a flee flowing discussion. let me start back with you judge. you are throughout in colorado. i'm sure there is an absolute shock in that community. what are people saying in terms of their reaction what do they want to happen to this person in their community? >> what are you hearing on streets of colorado? >> governor, it is very interesting. the pain and horror a palpable here in aurora. people are still in a state of shock. they are numb. a lot o of people are just hearing about the deaths of friends and family members so you haven't yet gotten to the point of anger, justice and all that. the police are focused on that because that is their job jinx' so impressed with the p.d. here with the coordinated effort, state, local, federal agencies, fbi, atf, they are putting together a case behind
it just takes a lot of us, so i'm forwarding these facts to every shaman, tuk tuk driver, sherpa, kurdistane owner, iguana butcher, and ozark squirrel chef i've ever met. text "give" to 777444 to donate $10 and forward the facts. >> mike: we are back be with the panel. and i just want to have sort of a flee flowing discussion. let me start back with you judge. you are throughout in colorado. i'm sure there is an absolute shock in that community. what are people saying in terms...