new york was incredibly important. there really were two key political states, new york was one of them. ohio was the other one. they kept producing president after president. i don't think we really have states quite like that anymore. maybe we could look to something like texas. it's also not just within the democratic party. you see when you look at the republican par tirks teddy roosevelt, charles evans hughes, all these figures coming out of new york city politics. when you look at democratic party, you see roosevelt and smith. new york state has two machines going and has pretty significant national effect. >> two machines? >> the famous machine is the tammany machine, but the republicans had an incredibly powerful next work as well. >> what is tammany hall? >> tammany hall is technically just the new york city democratic party. the manhattan democratic party. tammany hall from the mid 19th sech century was best known as the machine of machines in urban america. it was identified as primarily irish machine, a machine in new york that really depended on neighborhood power, word power and that was as much ab

would al smith -- what would he think about the growth of state government in new york? >> i think that he would be okay with state government as it is. when smith was governor, it was 10, 10.5 million people. he realized that new york state government needed to be housed. in fact, he was one of the people that said, you've got to get all of these agencies not only coordinated but he used to joke and say, we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars every year on renting little offices. can't we build state office buildings? can't we professionalize the state work force? so smith really believed that using the government, which was basically the people, to organize them and to deliver services, that's the proper role of government. he stood with that his whole life. he thought the new deal just went too far. >> helen in -- beverly, you want to add something? >> yeah, i just wanted to add on the national stage, i think he really plays a very different but equally important role in the sense that, you know, smith's candidacy in 1928 comes after a decade where, as we sort of sa

and dewey takes over the reigns in new york state. and he runs new york state during the new deal, and he is by all accounts somebody that puts in place the programs. he is not a republican in the sense of a conservative. dewey wanted to be president and made it known, i think there was rumors that he was going to run for president, he was a possible presidential candidate when he was still new york district attorney, he had it in the cards that he wanted to do it for a long time. smith as campaign in 1928 was troubled from the start. he got the nomination and did his campaign from july onwards. dewey had more of the modern campaign that he got -- in fact fdr did it in 1952 -- he knew he would run early on and he traveled the country getting his campaign in order. the big differences between dewdu dewey and al smith is that dewey was out there preparing more than al smith ever was. >> we have a question here in the audience. >> my name is amy and i'm from clifton park, new york, besides the zoo that al smith brought the zoo, what was h

, the difference between your sort of urban core, your new york at that time, largely dominated, although not exclusively by a machine, and up state new york, you've got cultural differences. you've got political differences there. and because you had all of these disdifferences, it was always a question of what kinds of issues you were actually going to be able to deal with at the state level. one of the things that al state ends up doing as governor is that he tries to make it possible for the governor to do more than he's been able to do. it's not a particularly strong post at that point. your power is really concentrated in new york city, and so al smith is sort of an ambassador from the city to rest of the state in certain ways, but he's also trying to make it possible in this kind of progressive impulse to actually make more things possible, to consolidate a little bit of executive power up here in albany in ways that he hadn't seen before. >> and we'll talk about his career as four-term governor of new york after we take this call from fort lauderdale. hi, neil, you're on "the >> caller: hi, how are you guys, lady and gentl

he did not like how new york state ratified it anyway. they did it by simple resolution through the legislature, he felt it should be a referendum, and i believe it was in 1924, so they had a referendum in new york state about what you think about prohibition, do you change the percentage of alcohol, i think in the federal it was 1.5, they wanted beer and white wines to be allowed and it passed in new york state, but it was just a memorialization of congress, it did not mean anything, smith himself was elected the president of the convention in new york state, 1933 to repeal the prohibition amendment in this chamber. the 150 delegates voted, and they voted for al smith to be president. he got the last laugh on that. they brought out the secretary of state to second the nomination and pat him on the back. it shaped him because he thought it was ridiculous to say, that you could use the constitution to control individual behavior. it actually took a right away from people, rather than the amendments giving rights to people in the bill of rig

he didn't like how new york state ratified it anyway. they did it by a simple resolution through the legislature. he thought it should be a referendum. in fact, i believe it was in 1924, ned a referendum in new york state on what you think about prohibition. should you change the percentage of alcohol and i think it was in the federal 1.5, they wanted beer and light wines to be allowed. and it passed overwhelmingly in new york state, but it was just a memorialization of congress. it didn't mean anything. smith himself was elected the president of the convention in new york state in 1933 to repeal the prohibition amendment officially in this chamber. the 150 delegates that gathered overwhelmingly voted, and they overwhelmingly voted for al smith to be the president. so he got the last laugh on that. in fact, they brought out 88-year-old l. root, the former senate and secretary of state to second the nomination and come in and pat him on the back. prohibition shaped him because he thought it was almost ridiculous to say that you could use t

what specific things did he do to help reform new york state politics and particularly the civil service system and his commitment to labor? what did he do for the labor movement in new york state? >> thank you. and there's not much tenement regulation at that point. there are not much by way of sanitary regulations. it's kind of a free for all. so you have enormously crowded conditions. often you have big problems with disease on the lower east side because sanitary conditions are poor. but in many people's memories you also have very tight-knit ethnic neighborhoods which had some powerful institutions. sometimes churches. >>> the most qualified person should have the job. smith was well known to have people in the cabinet, republicans not enrolled, and people had nothing to do with government at all. he wanted to have good civil service, and he wanted to have a strong labor relations. he stood up to those when it came to labor that were shunted aside. the afl championed him in the state, but not natalie in his campaign. >> so beverly, those issues that they were talking about, did they

were things that he had implemented in new york state as well. >> we've heard from john evers who is the former new york state assembly historian and also from beverly gage, history professor at yale university about the fdr/al smith relationship. landon he supported in 1936 and wendell willky in 1940, he supported over fdr. in fact, here is al smith on the radio talking about his support for wendell wilkin. >> i'd just like to make a little observation. i'd like to know what could be going through the mind of the 16 million men that are in the draft. i wonder if they're not saying to themselves, if this becomes serious, if it becomes necessary that we have to face an enemy, who would you soon to be behind, the third-term candidate or a wilke? in my opinion, we only hope for the people whose the election of wendell wilke who believes -- who believes in the constitution of the united states and the principles upon which it was founded. when he is chosen to guide this nation, then and then only will the stars and stripes again wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave.

what specific things did he do to help reform new york state politics and particularly the civil service system and his commitment to labor? what did he do for the labor movement in new york state and later on the federal -- >> thank you, wayne. john evers. >> that's a really good point that always separated al smith when it came to labor issues. in 1911 there was the famous triangle shirtwaist fire factory down in manhattan. smith was on the commission that was passed by the legislature to study labor law. and smith drew closer. he became good friends with francis perkins, schneiderman. in past in this very chamber, the labor laws which would regulate fire escapes, hours of service, health codes, workman's compensation. hand in hand with that probably was the advent of civil service. being a taminy man there was always rumors he wanted to pack everything with democrats. he used to say, and this grew up and it became more prevalent as he got towards the end of his gubernatorial career, is that the most qualified person should have the job. smith was well known to have people in his cabin

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