the voelker rule to set out what they are doing, this may be exhibit "a" i want to come back to jamie dimond, alleged to be involved, alleged being the critical word. he sits on the board of the new york fed. now the new york fed is ald to have been involved in this and they mainthane there is no conflict of interest between his being regulated, being on the board. am i missing something, or are they messissing something? >> they are missing something. >> explain this to us. >>> the nature. these guys are buddies as you well know, as tracy wells knows. whether or not they are even consciously doing it, they are at least unconsciously letting each other off working in each other's interest. they are part of a culture. this culture is not only about libor. this culture is about trading in general in my view. it is easy to co lewd in trading, and this trading back and forth of securities and complex instruments and so you naw dominates wall street. when i started after going to graduate school, that's not what dominated wall street. now it's trading and so easily managelable and there is