concrete examples 211 attitude was expressed by david friedman he said there was the italian saying if translated into english was similar to it is renamed up again pig of a government. that you talk and work against the state. mentioning henry david thoreau that is pivotal of my thinking he howled the idea the business of living but to you went out offense civil disobedience and he said here there is no state. i want to look inside myself. i tried to do that increasingly everyday here it is acting with my neighbor taking my alive back to the extent possible. do not do with the state. nature ago into businesses privatizing government service. we're going to the unprecedented period of state control of our lives. you just have to say no. do not smarter yourself yourself, that would be reckless. >> host: does that mean you are living off a grid. >> i am here. [laughter] i cannot tell anyone what to do go private. >> i don't mean to misrepresent but it is more theoretical and historical with the underpinning and the other buck right now is more the house to. to psychologically prepare pre

david friedman is the director. thank you for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >> and i think to all of us, it's clear based on the evidence that police have released and the media has been able to dig up about the gunman. why is it important to now have this investigated as a hate crime. >> i think it gratifies the assault on the community. it was selected, the sikh community was selected because of the animosity that this individual bore to them because of either the religion, the color of their skin or the fact that they were different. >> we know the gunman played in several bands with ties to the white supremacist movement. is there a connection between music and the hate movement? >> well, absolutely. there is clear connection. the white supremacy, the glue that holds them together is the ideology combined with the music. it's been around for 30 years. but it's come to the public's attention because of this terrible incident. one of the things that it helps to do is it helps to recruit, it helps to kind of

one's attitude toward the state, if you want, what is best expressed by david friedman one time, and this is, if you translated into english, it went something along the lines of it is raining. you blame everything on the state. you talk and you work against the state. on the other hand, henry david thoreau was pivotal in my thinking. he basically had the idea, the business of living, but he had the idea, he went out at one time, his essay on civil disobedience. he went on to a halen said, he looked around. absolute beauty. here it is. i want to look inside myself and say here there is no state. i try to do that increasingly every day by making sure i pursue everything from alternate currency, interacting with my neighbors in terms of alternate methods of exchange, privatized -- privatizing my life, taking my life back from the state and privatize me to the extent possible. to not deal with the state can interact with the state, make sure that you make going to businesses that are privatizing government services. to not interact with the state. we are going to end unprecedented time

junket in the new york times travel section who had a cult following but he wasn't as big as friedman or as david pogue didn't get off and so he got fired and this kind of differentiation in standards is a really dangerous thing because it alludes to the idea of populism and it leads to the idea of well if they're succeeding to a certain level then they can scrape by some of the ethics problems that others can't and when it comes down to that it's a pretty deadly practice for the future of journalism in the future of ethics in journalism yeah i think i think there's some good questions being raised both in your article and on the website shame and we do appreciate having you on the shelf foster came our senior editor for at the new york observer. thanks rob. coming up on our team it's no big secret that big brother likes to pry but not just on suspected enemies of the state the u.s. government is spending billions to monitor its own employees of next we'll show you how far it's willing to go to protect state secrets. it's part of american power continues. things are so bad. might actually be time

david wycal. why does gold have this alluring idea on the republican side? milton friedmanone of the most -- he hated the gold standard. the government setting the price of gold. but that hasn't seemed to really take and conservatives seem to be gold bugs again. >> i guess the simplest explanation is one of the guys on that gold commission with me minority members with ron paul who said we should return to it, he wrote about this in 2007. basically if you brought the government back to a gold standard, it doesn't have the ability to inflate. and thus wouldn't have the ability to spend. and this when you hear rick perry talk about it, republicans who are not ron paul talk about it, they look at that. they look what the government has been able to do during the recession. they said openly for a long time they want to liquidate. because the fed can create money, they don't have to cut back. i think that's the heart of their newfound love for the gold standard. >> and yet, jared, at the beginning of the recession, they had stimulus proposals. bigger permanent tax cut. a gold st

david weigel is a pl political reporter for slate. dave, i'm going to start with you on this. why does gold have this alluring idea on the republican side? milton friedmano is president ronald reagan's chief economists for a period, he hated the gold standard. he said that was real government intervention because you had the government setting the price of gold. but that hasn't seemed to really take. and conservatives seem to sort of being gold bugs again. >> i guess the simplest explanation is one that lewis lair minute, one of the men on the gold commission, one of the minority members with ron paul who said we should return to it, wrote about this in 2011 and said basically if you brought the government back to a gold standard and was kind of writing this as an endorsement of paul ryan, it doesn't have the ability to inflate and it thus wouldn't have the ability to spend. when you hear rick perry talk about it, when you hear republicans who are not ron paul talk about it, it comes back to that. they look at what the federal government has been able 250 do in the recession. they have said openly for a long time, they wanted to liquidate because the fe

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