i try not to quote libertarians, but i'm going to quote friedrich von hayek, just- >> the austrian economist. the icon of-- >> the austrian economist, who called this "the fatal conceit." that we can know, you know, "i'm going to be in my desire for solidarity, i know what to do about that and i know what to do about that and i know to what to do about that." we don't. >> i agree. >> one of the reasons why the market properly fenced around with institutions works so beautifully is it allows the intelligence and the practical application of various people in all sorts of areas that we can't possibly know the details of. it allows those people with their own dynamism and creativity and intelligence to do things that a central planner cannot do. now-- >> you said something quite important, that markets work as long as there are fences around them. but you seem to think that democracy no longer serves as a brake on raw and unregulated capitalism. >> absolutely. for me, i really think this is about the soul of our nation and will democracy work. or will we just continue this polarized, yelling at