jerry falwell. and this was in detroit. and at one point he looked at me and he said ms. merle hoffman, how many abortions at your facility due luster. i looked at him very proudly and i said reverend, we did 9000 procedures. in my mind, that was a sign of all the good work that i was doing. but in his mind, it was mass murder. and he said, 9000, you are saying they did 9000 abortions? and i said yes. he said how will you feel when you meet your maker with the blood of 9000 babies on her hands. and i said reverend, when i meet her, i will be proud to tell her that i thought were riven country and women's rights. i was proud to fight for women's rights. and he said her? he said do you think god is a woman? and i said no, reverend, i think god is beyond gender. i had many debates and they all come down to a very similar argument were very many of the anti-choice people will say that women don't know what abortion is, they really don't know. this old feeling of women not being able to have this moral agency, and of course, women know very well read and they make their decisi

course which i will share with you is the reverend, what's his name, the moral majority, yes, jerry falwell. this was in detroit, and at one point he looked at me and he said ms. hoffman, how many abortions did your facility due last year? and i looked at him probably and i said reverend, we did 9,000 procedures because to my mind, that was a sign of all the good work that i was doing. but in his mind was mass murder and he said 9,000, you're saying you did 9,000 abortions? yes, reverend. hal will you feel when you meet your neighbor with the blood of 9,000 babies on your hand and i said referent, when i meet her i will be proud to tell her i fought for women's rights. [applause] and he said her? [laughter] i said yes. he said are you saying that god is a woman? i am saying no, reverend, i'm saying beyond gender. this is a concept it was difficult -- [laughter] i had many debates and they all come down to a very similar argument where very many of the anti-choice people would say well, women don't really know what abortion is. they would never do it if they knew. they really don't know. thi

i look at jerry falwell and pat robertson.acy has been passed on to the catholic bishops of today. i look at bishop lurie. the bishops are more known for their reactionary politics on marginal issues. had a really -- that are really driving catholics further right rather than being authentic pastors of the faith. >> i agree completely. when we look at what they're doing with the nuns as well. it is equally appalling. cracking down on nuns for not talking more about abortions and premarital sex. three things jesus never talked about or focused on at all. and they crack down on american nuns for teaching reiki healing and practicing reiki healing. when you're a church founded on a guy who laid his hands on people so they would feel better, where do you get off cracking down on nuns for reiki healing. we have you here for the full half hour. i'm thrilled. we're on the line. we'll be taking your calls with james salt, executive director of catholics united here on the "bill press show." the number is 1-866-55-press. tweet me at jo

. >> that's not -- >> you had jerry falwell going around saying that the clinton chronicles, this guy being accused by major players of murder. things were uglier for bill clinton than barack obama and he got things done. >> barack obama got things done also. >> with democrats. >> well as did president clinton in certain circumstances. >> hold on. president clinton balanced the budget with congressional republicans, passed welfare reform with republicans, tax cuts with republicans. >> passed the deficit passed the biggest budget in 1993, the republicans. one of the things that's true, this is indisputably the case, there is a lot of -- obviously a lot of distaste towards certain things president obama has done in the electorate and a popular congressional party that the polling shows it. president obama is at 46, 47%. congressional republicans no where near that level and the reason is because a lot of americans do perceive congressional republicans to have been intransigent, the party of no. that's a winning argument. >> well, i think, though, you can look at the polls all you want t