. >> if you go back to the pilgrim travelers with lou rawls and the five blind boys -- tavis: chicago'sown, yes. >> yes, the original five blind boys. they did not have no -- man, i used to stand up, could not pay the 50 cents to see them. i'd climb on top of the church and peep down through a hole to watch those guys control those voices like that, and the voices was like the same chords you put on the guitar. top, because you did not have to say "you're making too much noise," because the next neighbor's house was three miles away. [laughter] the rest of it was corn and cotton. tavis: what was it like back then for you as a kid in louisiana? >> to look up and see no hope. tavis: no hope. >> no, because i know my parents was not going to tell us the truth what they were going through, because they did not ever want you to hear the worst part about it. as we got older you figure that out yourself, and it was something bad going on, they able to send me to high school. back then, if you learned -- b.b. will tell you this, muddy, if he was living -- after you got to the second grade, just