grover norquist and michael linden. welcome to you both. >> good to be with you. >> you're now in pre-election mode which i would imagine means you'll be more aggressive about this than normal, right? >> sure, if you want. >> let's be serious for a minute. you will enjoy this. i want you to treat me like a complete simpleton. i want you to tell me in easy to understand words and phrases the difference between the ryan budget plan and the one that romney would like to bring it. >> there's the ryan budget that is actually been written down and scored by cbo, passed by the republican house and got most of the republican votes in the senate, which gives you a very good outline of where republican thinking is. it takes the clinton approach toward welfare reform, which was passed in '96 and extends it to the various means tested other welfare programs like medicaid and food stamps and programs like that. then it takes medicare and takes the bipartisan approach that he worked out with wyden and moves that so nothing changes fo