can he be persuasive to moderate democrats who voted for reagan perhaps and clinton and rilly clinton in the primaries in 2008? i think paul ryan can make the case to hillary clinton democrats who need to be one back from obama and in florida over to the romney side. >> i still think this is about taxes. it is so going to be the hurdle they have to get over here. that is where this thing is where the obama people want it. we have been trying to make it about obama who he is going to fight for and effectively making it look like his constituency is wealthy americans. and where ryan comes in he gets a lot of credibility on the cuts seniors and people in the middle class and look at where romney is even ryan wants tax cuts for the wealthy. we are going to have the same debate. >> okay steve. >> i think obviously it's a big issue election. if you think back to how this all really started wall ryan thought about running for president a year ago almost a year ago when he was on vacation to colorado he won't be going on this year apparently. spent some time talking to senior republicans ment