and you followed what roger volkman said. >> reporter: these former students say pastor volkman did someost of it was done by his staff. allison was in grade school when she says the principal came into her class to paddle her. >> he would call you to the front. they would pull the chair out. you bend over, grab the chair, he told you look at that lunch pail and he would pull the bad tl up. he was so tall it practically touched the ceiling. he would swing it really harold. and hard enough for you to move forward. he moved the whole chair forward. >> this is in front of the whole class? >> yes. >> reporter: jeremiah was in the 7th grade. >> the paddle split down the middle. so he started back over holding the paddle together. so whenever he would hit me, it would pinch the skin on my bottom. and bruised and bleeding. >> reporter: samuel bain was also in grade school when he said he got it from a church maintenance man. >> he base ekly told me to bend over. he told me to pull down my pants. i hesitated, because it didn't sound rith. even to a kid. we were taught not to question people. >>