another thing that shaped deng that was important in achieving deng was the great record. in 1959 when the great leap forward was really devastating the countryside people were starting in large numbers, and the latest estimates are that perhaps 40 or 50 million people were died prematurely during the great leap forward because of the famine that was caused by the excessive zeal that wasn't based on realities mao had never been a broad but deng had been abroad and had a much better understanding of what was going on. now, let me. and he was still pursuing the evolution to the end he wanted to shake up the country and to have people attack those who were going and what was called the capitalist road who were free and independent. so most of the senior leaders of the party were criticized and purged by mao's doing. so, one of the first things he did when he came back after being purged again by now come in 1975, one of the first things he did was to start working on education. he took over the responsibility for the foreign relations and education science technology in 77 wh

was deng xiaoping a visionary? he simply a good learner, or was it suggested in the conclusion of this book a competent manager? >> well, i go for the manager and if i had to poke one phrase because the idea to reform the note name was not unique to deng xiaoping. in evensong list criticized as the professorcoming out of this one chosen to be the successor who turned out not to be really great strong leader was in favor of a lot of this reforms. and a lot of the senior officials were in favor of this reforms. to some extent he did have a very long respect of other visionary is the right word when he thought about hong kong, he said for 50 years they can keep the present system. if you asked about nobody planned to do for the next 50 years for his country, that would hardly be a serious question. i mean, no american leader -- four years as a long-term. and to think to the end of the year turned to the next election. so i think he did have a long-term to. at the same time he was experimental and didn't have fixed not

xiaoping. >> because the idea of reform and opening was not yet an idea to deng xiaoping. and was criticized, joe's mouth to be his successor, who turned out not to be rude a great strong leader, was in favor of a lot of this reform. and a lot of the senior officials were in favor of a lot of those reforms. to some extent, he did have a very long time perspective. i don't know whether visionary is the right word, but when you thought about hong kong, he said for 50 years they can keep the present system. if you asked obama what he plans to do for the next 50 years for his country, that would hardly be a serious question. i mean, no american leader, nina, four years is long term. and think to the end of their term to the next election. so i think he did have a long-term perspective. at the same time he was experimental. and he didn't have fixed notion. and he was across the river for groping first dose. again, that term was somehow attributed but it was a unique and. he didn't invent the term. he used the term, use the ideas that he was a manager who put it all together and

come on, marianne, you know this is all bogus, but my point is i'm not here to denged mitt romney, that'sy job. i'm here to say to these politicians like devol patrick and there are plenty on the republic side as well, they don't tell the truth. they don't put anything into perspective. >> we're talking about it because mitt romney wants to be put. and here are the facts. they only state that was doing as badly as massachusetts at the time creating jobs is louisiana after katrina. state government doubled when the private sector did not. job increases nationally were increasing at 5%. massachusetts was only 1%. about choices. >> bill: what is it about 1 in 6 unemployment that you don't understand. you can't create jobs when everybody is working. there are nobodies to take the jobs. >> but when you cut the things i talked, about the services and you cut education, k through 12 and higher ed, those are the things that people. >> bill: massachusetts is one of the best education scores in the country. >> he cut hundreds of millions of dollars in education. you and i both know. >> bill: and th

[applause] >>> because the idea of reform and opening was not unique to deng xiaoping and now chose tosuccessor who turned out not to be really a great and strong leader was in favor of a lot of this reform, and a lot of the senior officials were in favor of the reforms. to some extent you have a very long time perspective but when you thought about hong kong use it if you keep the present system, if you ask obama what do you plan to do for the next 50 years for this country there would hardly be a serious question. no american leader -- for years is long term. think from the end of your turn to the next election so he did have a long-term perspective and at the same time he was experimental and he didn't have the fixed notions and used the expression crossed the river by groping for stones. that term was attributed that he it wasn't unique to him. he didn't invent the term. he had used the ideas and he put it all together and provided the direction that made it happen. >>> you are watching book tv on c-span2 and we are on location in new york city at the annual book publishing industr

again, that term was somehow attributed to deng, but it was not unique to him.didn't invent the term. he used the terms. he used the ideas. he was a manager who put it all together and provided the direction and the firm hand that made it all happen. >> watch the entire interview with ezra vogel and his biography on xiapoping and his trance formation of china here on c-span2. >> i know you're reading the book about the next century. what about america's role in the world over the nec 100 years? >> i hope some of the things george predicted come true, others i don't think will, but i do believe that america as a place where the con cement of freedom with individual freedom, political preach, economic freedom where there was born and nurturedded changed the world from the very beginning of those that inspired documents, the declaration of independence and the constitution, and over the coming century, america will continue to play a leading role on the world stage by virtue of the commitment by the exceptional principles. >> for more information on this and summer

they get to put out statement after statement saying we he side and gem, it's a slam deng. angel shutters and says, please don't use that expression. they plant that rumor and things take off from there. this was the just yak for a little bit more. this will be the first book i have written involving china. and i -- there -- there was a challenge involved -- you know, if you write novelling you have to make up the names for characters and charles dickens was pretty good at it. i -- i -- but chips names are complex. who here can receipt the full name of the blind activist who was seeking refuge in the u.s. embassy in china? deng xiaoping but even over there now, when they pull up the posters they shorten it to cgc it looks like kfc. it looks like they're promoting fried chicken. .. >> a lot of sun xiu quotes in here, and they are included at no extra charge. [laughter] i came across a fascinating term, actually, in a book by henry kissinger who chose a slightly less frisky title than mine. [laughter] if you're henry kissinger, you can just call your book "on china." [laughte

met the chinese ambassador introduced me to one of these businessmen who had come in 1979% gain from deng xiaoping and sent these people in these people and he said i came in the 70s we went to bed pakistan. he said that vicious hasn't changed. so that relative deterioration of their position because of the number of fat areas has led to an inward looking mess that cripples pakistan's ability to move forward. so we should do all we can quietly in a measured way to help pakistan to reach out to neighbors such as india. it's crucial to see whether there is common ground between the united states and china enemy become a ground between the united states and china and pakistan. when you attack to me about their priorities come it sounded pretty close to ours, investment and keeping a lid on islamic fundamentalists. that sounds like a set of common goals. can we work with other people? this is not just a question that the americans. it is other pakistan is able to reach us at the country. i would argue one of the greatest things that's happened in the last two years is that unless i read them