we met with him in person, don jordan. he went through how incredibly complex, it's risky. he said worker safety is a big issue. everything is underground so it's highly technical work. i have a quote from mr. carp, who is the geoengineer on this project. says the success of grouting is highly dependent on the skill of the speciality subcontractor. it is not a procedure that always produces the desirable results. structures near the area being grouted somebody monitored and grouting should be discontinued and care taken in intrusion of conduits. finally, i have a letter from mr. carp, but i don't think was in their packet to you, but it's dated march 11, 2012 -- >> how long is it. >> i'm not going to read it. >> your time is up. >> this whole page and a half is just about worrying about the garage, roof, and the possibility of it caving in, and how it could be structured differently to make it more stress resistant, et cetera. >> you can have time on rebuttal. >> okay. thank you very much. >> ms. dick. >> good evening, madam commissioner and members, ilene dick on behalf of