values and interests even when it meant putting himself in danger he was there when they overthrew khaddafi. >>> president obama and secretary of state hillary clinton expect to speak to the rose garden 730 our time this morning to cbs news expected to bring a special report when it happens. in other news out of firefighters are on the scene of a fire that left 15 people homeless this morning. could other rescue 1 man trapped in the house that had been converted to four apartments in side the fire on pacific avenue instead on the outside of the building at 1:00 this morning and took an hour to put it out the cause is still under investigation. some new surveillance video showing the start of last month's chevron refinery fire in richmond taking only to let the smoke appeared in the first to turn back and started shooting into the sky and a video released by the federal investigators who are adopting the richmond city council on the fire right now. chevron said the original a vapor crowd was mostly steam but then the fire broke out the smoke plume rose at one of its hundreds of feet in the a

. >> but you could say this would not have happened under khaddafi, this would not have happened under a dictatorship? >> yes, this is a hard -- horrid period. but it is not going to be the only thing that counts on the score of whether this was a worthwhile not. it will be a long process. it will be a generational process. >> we knew who was behind it. what we know now, and it is very important to say this, this is not a popular move by the libyan people. the libyan people, for the most part -- they have been disgusted by what happened to someone who was deeply committed to the future of their country and they know with. now the question is, can that sentiment demobilized? to talk about some obscure film is a distraction in that case. >> what do you make of mitt romney when he says that american leadership is still sorely needed, that american leadership is made necessary by the us? do you believe that or is it time to take a back seat? >> said in the back seat is part of what got us in -- i think the back seat is part of what goddess in trouble with the people with guns in libya. loo

there is a real threat that the khaddafi loyalists harbor -- present to the country. whether by having people who are bent on undermining the revolution, or there are people who have grievances that are building day after day and week after week and then we will eventually create the critical mass necessary to take them into the circle of violence and they certainly have weapons and they certainly have the vacuums of forces that can undermine the very country we are in. there is the threat, the ever existing threat, of the borders, of the immigration, the legal struggling -- smuggling, the drugs, and all this month that comes from it. but that is a basic state problem. that is not necessarily particular to libya. libya happens to have longit is becoming a problem. what is happening in the south is practically under nobody potsies control. there are vast regions in the south that are at a state where they could go either way because of these real problems. then, there is the problem of the weapons, the problems of the uncontrolled militias, the problems of the aftermat

under khaddafi, that both have citizenship issues manipulated. there was a decade-long series of wars in chad in which gaddafi tried to influence politically the shape and direction of the country. at the same time, cement a claim over the strip. they were encouraged to register their to enforce their claim. i cannot give specific numbers because there has not been the kind of research on that to give it to you. with the tuaregs, they were drafted into the army from a very early stage. in the 1990's and 200's, they succeeded in influencing west african politics and the relationship deepened. as submitted relationships with the tuareg and recruiting them into the military. you saw the outcome of that in the last few years in the revolution when the so-called mercenaries were alleged to be fighting for a gaddafi. they were regular recruits into the army that were recruited in benghazi. when we got to may and june, a lot of them simply left and went back. i don't talk about them as much as i should, but when you talk about the arab tribes, they are