lindberg wanted it. and, lindberg always paintedly convene as a too duplicities man within his spirit of st. louis. because he always felt bitter about the fact he had the colombia within the grasp and lavigne jerked it away at the last minute. lavigne was the first transatlantic airline passenger, he jumped in to the plane at the last minute. lindberg went across on may 20, chamberlain and lavigne -- wait, lindberg went across in may. channel chamberlain went across in june. they went to berlin, they farther than lindberg had, and lavigne was the only flier who did not receive a letter of commendation from calvin cool age. the jewish population had a fit about that in brooklyn. lavigne is the villain of the set piece. many called him a "mad men." he was always changing his mind he was labeled as at man who was the not lindberg. he was an outsidish. he dotedded on the plane -- he was uncomfortable in society, he was a fanbler in terms of, you know, gambling about life and death. he was a fascinating char

. >> the new lindberg and such an explorer.n zarrella joins us live from washington. you were at the memorial service today for neil armstrong, john, and such historical significance to the tribute today and get me up to speed on that. >> yeah, you know, one of the things that you sit there, ashleigh, and you see, wow, all of these men that we are seeing, we probably won't have an opportunity to see them all in the same room again. jeanne s gene cernan, who was the last man to walk on the moon spoke haltingly and eloquent ly about his very, very good friend neil armstrong and talked about how you saw in the piece, it was all about the team, and that is the way that neil was, about team and never about him. so, you know, i talked to walt cunningham, apollo 7, and walt cunningham told me just like you saw in the piece a lot of people could have landed on the moon and done that, the first man on the moon, but only neil was the only one in their group, cunningham said, who could have carried himself so well after the fact. >> and s

go by, and there was really a conscious decision by senior management that armstrong was the new lindberg have been telling you today, the nation and all of us get to say a final good-bye to an american hero. by the way, services are under way for neil armstrong the first man to walk on the moon, and he passed away last month following complications of heart surgery. he was 82. john zarrella is at the washington national cathedral. hi, john. >> hey, carol, you are right. moments ago, the ceremony began, and the bag pipipes first playi and many people, and 2,000 in all in attendance and we know that we saw moments ago a shot of buzz aldrin, the astronaut along with neil armstrong became the first two men to walk on the surface of the moon, and john glenn was also there sitting next to aldrin with his wife and glenn, of course, senator john glenn, the first american to orbit the earth. we know that gene cernan is there, and the last man on apollo 17 will be speaking. there are many, many dignitaries in attendance as well as the general public. and carol, it is so interesting and in some way