and sean mcgirk was at dhs, and you heard secretary napolitano talk about the center he works add. it's the national cybersecurity and communications integration center, better known as ncic, and it's a 24-hour, what, combination of a crisis center/think tank? .. which is also critical infrastructure sector. so the first question i want to ask is how is your perspective on the threat changed going from the federal government to the private sector? >> i don't know that it's changed actually that much, certainly not for the better. it's very interesting in government i've talked a long time about this perception of an iceberg that when you think about a 3-d version of an iceberg, a little tip is above the water, and that waterline is the line of demarcation between what's declassified and was classified, and what most american cities is the tip of the iceberg. if someone lost their credit card, maybe an attack. below the water line is where 90% of the iceberg resides, and that is what we pick up in a classified environment based on intelligence from our partners, former u.s. intellig