whose as a violation that the united states would treat this under the treaty under the u.s. japan security treaty and would protect the pan under it so i don't think you can be said the united states has maintained neutrality on this on the other hand it's also the case as bruce has suggested that a number of statements did come out of the pentagon out of the state department saying. the united states doesn't have an official position on the islands themselves but if we go back historically if we go back to the disposition of these islands and. other territories after world war two we have to pay attention to the crucial crucial role that the united states played in making all of the territories that we now are looking at this was the san francisco treaty of one nine hundred fifty one china was excluded from it and in that treaty what the united states did was to create all across the asia pacific a series of decisions about ownership without at any point spelling out the latitude longitude specifics of where the boundaries ended only burmans a very interesting what we're go

and the united states has supported the forces of change. we have taken these positions because we believe that freedom and self-determination are not unique to one culture. these are not simply american values or western values. they are uniform values. -- universal values. and even though there are huge challenges to come with the transition to democracy, i'm con finsed that-- convinced that ultimately government of the people, by the people and for the people is more likely to bring about the stability, prosperity and individual opportunity that serve as a basis for peace in our world. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> funding for charlie rose has been provided by the coca-cola company, supporting this program since 2002. an american express. additional funding provided by these funders. >> and by bloomberg.

it is always is the gateway of the united states to china. as the economic and trade cooperation between china and the united states and california deepens, now we believe that trade and investment keeps growing. china is the third largest export destination for california. many multinationals like hp, intel, cisco, and chevron are doing well in china. they're making money in china. at the same time, as the close relationship is going on, many chinese companies are working in san francisco in california. i would like to name a few. the tsl, ciuts, just to name a few. these are successful chinese companies working here. as the american companies in china, the chinese companies working in california in san francisco are also making contributions to job creation and the development of the economy in local areas. we're thinking these are very good signs. as the previous speakers mentioned, we paid a visit to the united states last february. governor brown proposed that we set up a working group for the u.s., a state, and china provinces to coopera

no i really don't think it's good business i think that the united states has been . an empire i think clearly the inequalities of wealth that we're seeing in the united states is tied to an empire i mean this is clearly part of a kind of the domestic a military general and you see here that how when he when he comes to anything that's important domestically in the united states such as health care reform it's almost impossible to get any serious health care reform done but when it comes to military intervention i mean it's just done overnight i mean obama just says we're going to do this we're going to bomb libya there's no discussion no. no no and no kind of congressional oversight we just go ahead and bomb and it's the same goes with any kind of war at all you know we had last week we had a stories in the new york times about obama ordering assigned gentlemen much more to disguise a fascinating discussion but we've run out of time many thanks and i guess the day in new york and in wasilla and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and re

he came to the united states in 1956. he came to the united states in 1956. the question was, he was born in cuba in 1899, so more than 100 years ago. and the thing about immigration is it doesn't work out for everybody. i mean, we have this american dream, and one of the people it didn't work out for was pedro victor garcia, who came to the united states with seven daughters and a wife, and struggled, could not make a living. and in 1959, after castro took over cuba, he, like a lot of cubans, thought the cube was going to become a better place, and that his options would actually possibly be better in cuba than they were here in the united states. and so he returned. he went back to the island of his birth. and after three years there, and after it had become clear that cuba was moving toward being a marxist lenin communist state, he did something really risky, and i'll read to you about what he did. beat bear with me for just one moment. i thought i had this marked. he bought an airplane ticket is what he did, and at the airport a guy who wasn't immigration

the u.s. army criminal investigation division united states forces in iraq the first division the u.s. . computer in crimes investigative unit the safety i use the second army cyber command. and within that three separate intelligence investigations the department of justice most significantly and its u.s. grand jury in alexandria virginia the federal bureau of investigation which now has according to court testimony early this year produced a file of forty two thousand one hundred and thirty five pages into wiki leaks which less than eight thousand concerned bradley manning the department of state the department of state diplomatic security services in addition we have been investigated by the office of the director general of national intelligence the o. d.n.i. the office of the national counterintelligence executive the central intelligence agency the house oversight committee the national security staff into agent to me agency committee and the p i a the president intelligence the president intelligence advisory board. the department of justice spokesperson jane parade confirmed in ju

it's like the wild west was in the united states years ago. are people who have open trucks with machine guns and weapons on them all the time t. would be very easy for people who were -- who were fighting the government at one time and qaddafi and they would -- they all have weapons. that's part of the concern. it's a very young government, starting out. and there is not -- their police and their -- they're not trained. they are not trained to do what they need to do to protect people. >> greta: do you have a sense that the killers, that let's go in there and we will kill whoever is there, or did you get the sense, let's kill the ambassador? >> i think once they realized the protest was there, that the people were sophisticated enough with the ammunition that they had that they were going to do damage to whoever was in there. the ambassador died of smoke inhalation because of the fire -- >> greta: he wasn't tortured. >> from my understanding, he wasn't tortured. that's what we know at this point. but -- whether or not they knew he was in there

joining us now are ambassador to the united nations susan rice. ambassador, welcome back. this week there have been anti-american protests in two dozen countries across the islamic world. the white house says it has nothing to do with the president's policies. let's watch. >> this is not a case of protests directed at the united states at large or at united states policy but in response to a video that is offensive. >>chris: you do not believe that? >>guest: absolutely. in fact, it is the case. we have had the evolution of the arab spring the last many months. what sparked the violence was the airing on the internet of a hateful and offensive video that has offended many people around the world. our strong view is there is no excuse for violence, it is absolutely reprehensible and never justifyied. but there are those who have reacted with violence and the governments have increasingly responded and protected our facilities and condemned the violence. this outrageous response to what is an offensive video. in question that in the past with "satanic verses," and cartoon of t

do you consider the united states an ally? >> ( translated ): this is depending on the definition of an ally. we have a real partnership in the interest and we want to achieve the interest of the world and to participate in many issues-- diplomatic, political, economical-- exchange of expertise in several areas. so the understanding of an ally as a part of a military alliance this is not existing right now. but if you mean by ally, partner and special diplomatic relationship and cooperation we are that ally. >> rose: president morsi for the hour. next. >> tonight a special edition of charlie rose. >> rose: mohamed morsi won an historic election this june to become the fifth president of egypt. he is the first civilian to hold this title. two years ago it would have been difficult to imagine a member of the muslim brotherhood leading the country. the history of the party has been defined by suppression but the arab spring transformed the political scene as protesters drove lmes out of power. the president inherits a tough breath

protesters outside the united states embassy. s, as you can see, it's a very, very tense situation. the violence in libya and in egypt and the president's response quickly becoming a big campaign issue in the race for the white house. with us now the former new york city mayor and one-time republican presidential candidate, rudy giuliani, who's supporting mitt romney. mr. mayor, thanks very much for coming in. >> thank you for having me, wolf. >> let's talk a little bit about the political fallout from this awful situation in egypt and in libya. first of all, listen to what mitt romney said today. >> a terrible course for america to stand in apology for our values, that instead when our grounds are being attacked and being breached, that the first response to the united states must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation. an apology for america's values is never the right course. >> president obama later responded to that in an interview with cbs news. listen to what he said. >> there's a broader lesson to be lea

joining me now, former israeli ambassador to the united nations, dan gillerman. ood evening. >> good evening, judge. good to be with you. >> good to have you, ambassador. you just heard the prime minister talk about a red line. is this issue of a red line as real as the prime minister has stated before the united nations? >> it is very, very real. i think one of the problems is that the world or part of the world think this is a reality show. this is no reality show. this is real. this is not survivor where somebody gets chucked off the island. this is about real survival of the jewish state and in fact of civilization as we know it and that is why drawing a red line and making it very, very clear to this extreme fundamentalist regime in iran and its ranting president that there will not be a nuclear iran is so important today. >> and you know, ambassador, for the years that i have been following, you know, the politics of what is going on between the united states and israel i cannot remember there being such a sense of a disconnect between the united states and

that is to support the constitution of the united states. when you're making laws, it is not your prerogative to put your party first. host: mr. woodward. guest: that, as i point out, in the book, there is a scene after scene where the republicans show that they're not going to budge on some of these things. in their view, they are adhering to the constitution. in their view, they're doing what is necessary. the key point here is that speaker boehner is the nominal leader of republicans in the house and opened these negotiations last year with the president. there were all kinds of offers and discussions going back and forth on this. you can see the detail. you may blame obama. you may blame the republicans. you may blame me for writing about it. whenever it is. this is, if you will, the performance review. this is what we always used to call the best obtainable version of the truth. host: 1 last phone call for you, republican line in south carolina. caller: thank you, sir. please let me state a few facts. don't cut me off. host: we don't hav

he is in new york for the united nations general assembly. the conflict in syria is an essential focus. president obama spoke about the issue earlier today. >> in syria, the future must not belong to a dictator who massacres his people. if there's a cause that cries out for protest in the world today, peaceful protest. in a regime that tortures children and shoots rockets at apartment buildings. we must remain engaged to assure that what began with citizens demanding the rights does not end in the cycle of sectarian violence. together we must stand with those syrians who believe in a different vision, a syria that is united and inclusive where children don't need to fear their own government. and they have a say, sunni's and christians. that's what america stands for, that's what we will stand for sanctions and consequences to those who persecute and support for those who work for the common good. >> rose: they have the resolution to increase the government three times. meanwhile the killing in syria continues. they're up to 30,000 estimated d

he knows he needs the united states. but he is trying at the same time to placate the radical elements in the brotherhood. >> but the core problem is there are angry people out there. and you can't identify them. and the idea that you're going to have a government policy to deal with angry people in a way that will suppress them just is not going to happen. >> let me break in here and come back with the roundtable. more on ♪ ♪ [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] if you have yet to master the quiet sneeze... ♪ [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] you may be an allergy muddler. try zyrtec®. it gives you powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because zyrtec® starts working at hour 1 on the first day you take it. claritin® doesn't start working until hour 3. [ sneezes ] [ male announcer ] zyrtec®. love the air. join zyrtec® rewards. save up to $7 on zyrtec® products. >>> back with our roundtable. look at this polling from cnn/orc. better at handling foreign policy, big advantage for president obama as we go int

mubarak the united states should have basically supported any dictatorship that lost the support of its people if it were better for israel and unfortunately you know you see the same sort of anti-democratic for and desire to support israel even in the united states i mean you should play that clip of where the democratic party delegates at their national convention are saying we don't recognize israel's illegal annexation of east jerusalem we don't want that in our democratic party plank and yet they were steamrolled by people within the democratic party who simply passed that resolution anyway and so this is neoconservatives smart yeah it's the same type of mentality that this guy this guy has are merely those that might read behaved as they don't and you taishi fair time ruthie please jump in. they were not steamrolled by other members of the democratic party that fiasco at the democrat it were invention was. born i reckon that you have the island nation it was. a way the israel lobby works on the gentlemen. please let her speak roofie obama orchestrated that fiasco they were not

the united states and its supporters. and the -- the result is a very mixed message that makes one wonder about the sincerity of the muslim brotherhood when it says that it wants normal relations with the united states. >> ben, what was that noise behind you? was it gunfire, an explosion? >> reporter: tear gas being fired. no, no. tear gas being fired by egyptian security forces from the area around the american embassy. >> thanks for clarifying. ben wedeman, live in cairo for us this morning. >>> now a closer look be at the americans killed in the attack on the consulate in libya. their families are speaking out, sharing their pain and their memories. lisa sylvester has that part of the story. >> reporter: not based at the u.s. consulate in benghazi, sean smith worked out of the hag aue and was on short-term duty. ambassador chris stevens was based in tripoli. most recently identified victim was glen doherty who lived in california, but grew up outside of boston. from different areas at the the consulate on assignment. th

clearly, the united states does not believe in this video. doesn't espouse the values and doesn't decry the prophet muhammad. he's saying, listen, if you want to live in a democracy, free speech is part of that. that is one of the values he says the u.s. troops have gone to battle to defend. and so he's saying that he can't ban the video. at the same time, saying that he has a problem, and saying that violence is never the answer. i think he was also trying to say to these leaders, you can't let islamic extremism hijack your resolution. he's seen the violent protests at the u.s. embassies in the last couple of weeks. >> i think what he said was extremists, violence is their only way to stay relevant. which was interesting. the president met with the secretary ban ki-moon. he did not meet with world leaders. he made an appearance on "the view." does that look like he's focusing on politics more so than negotiating foreign policy? >> a little bit. i think there are a cup of things going on. first of all, he's clearly reaching out to the american

he knows he needs the united states. trying at the same time to placate the radical elements in the brotherhood. >> but the core problem is there are angry people out there. and you can't identify them. and the idea that you're going to have a government policy to deal with angry people in a way that will suppress them just is not going to happen. >> let me break in here and come back with the roundtable. >> let me break in here and come back with the rowe're sitting on a bunch of shale gas. there's natural gas under my town. it's a game changer. ♪ it means cleaner, cheaper american-made energy. but we've got to be careful how we get it. design the wells to be safe. thousands of jobs. use the most advanced technology to protect our water. billions in the economy. at chevron, if we can't do it right, we won't do it at all. we've got to think long term. we've got to think long term. ♪ >>> back with our roundtable. look at this polling from cnn/orc. better at handling foreign policy, big advantage for president obama as we g

in libyan, there was a gathering design to show appreciation for the united states. hundreds of libyans amassed outside the consulate, airing signs denouncing yesterday's violent destruction which led to the death of u.s. ambassador christopher stevens and three others. in addition libyan authorities arrested four men suspected of instigating the protests. president obama called both egyptian president morsi and magariaf. the two calls had decidedly different tones. president obama expressed appreciation to libyan president magariaf for the cooperation received from the libyan government and people in responding to the attack. though questions still remain about the role libyan terrorists played in escalating the attacks. with respect to egypt the president had made an interesting comment in an interview earlier yesterday with telemundo. >> would you consider the current egyptian regime an ally of the united states? >> obama: i don't think that we would consider them an ally but we don't consider them an enemy. >> eliot: against this backdrop, president obama's phone

growing competition a possible rivalry with the united states. the resources. for all materials first of all for oil and gas will increase china's dependence on russian energy supplies. yes i do think that's the case and. i think that china would prefer china would prefer if left to itself to trade with everyone in the world but china seas that it's freedom of operation has been somewhat narrow by this buildup of u.s. forces naval forces and so is hedging its bets as we would say by strengthening its ties with russia because energy from russia can be delivered by interior means by pipelines to rectally connecting russia and china the same is true of central asia china is also building its energy ties with the central asian countries well under these circumstances do you think russia should take a side should pick a side because because unlike the soviet union the russian foreign policy lately was not to take sides trying to be neutral even in the syrian conflict russia is trying to say we're not we're just trying to to to to to be neutral do you think it's time

and china have many economic bonds that wasn't true between the united states and the soviet union they didn't have economic ties very much at all but the u.s. and china have many economic ties they're very close trading partners american corporations do a lot of business with china chinese companies do business with the united states so this is a force that acts against a cold war on the other hand there are similarities and and those are powerful forces on both sides that see benefits from competition for example what what president eisenhower called the military industrial complex in this country and in china which would see benefits from a cold war and i think that those forces are becoming very aggressive right now with the end of the war in iraq and afghanistan the military industrial complex in the united states is pushing for a naval rivalry with china and i believe there are very similar forces and china that would also push for a expansion of the chinese navy so and that sense there was a similar forces during the cold war in the soviet union in the united states that pushed f

what do you think should be the response of the united states? >> well, lou, i think the response should have taken place long before now. this president in the policy, foreign policy that he had just hasn't worked and it is collapsing. i think the first thing i would do is meet with our ally in the middle east, which is israel. i would make sure everybody knows with clarity that the united states stands with israel. we'll support israel. the other thing i would stop supporting some of these countries doing these act, burning our flags, attacking our embassies. and the united states needs to have a clear position that this administration just refused to do that. lou: congressman randy forbes as always, good to have you with us. thank you. >> thank you, lou. lou: second city? day two, act two, second rate. teachers and mayor emanuel, they persist and the losers are obvious. students, taxpayers, and common decency. chicago already a lesson for taxpayers, all over this country. that is tonight's chalk-talk. >>> is president obama so busy he can't mee

i'm jill stein joining me now dr jill stein green party candidate for president of the united states dr stein walker thank you tom great to be with you thanks for joining us exactly what exactly was the u.s. europe green parties it was a first video meeting between myself and my running mate cheri and several european parliamentarians to talk about our common issues to help share their hard won experience getting into office and then moving policies that actually make a difference a green new deal which has become the centerpiece of our campaign that actually creates jobs at the same time that it solves this climate emergency we have you know and an emergency as you know on both counts we have twenty five million people who need full time work as well as a climate disaster that's on rolling faster than anyone ever expected and this is just with one degree of. temperature increase one degree centigrade and yet we're expecting six degrees warming over the next century so we don't have a way forward right here now the democrats and certainly not the republicans do not have an exit strate

today we have a special bigger picture discussion on islamophobia in the united states in two thousand and ten there were one hundred sixty anti muslim hate crimes in america and between twenty one in two thousand and eleven twenty seven two thousand and eleven the rate of growth of anti muslim hate groups tripled and since july nineteenth of this year the beginning of the muslim holy month of ramadan there have been ten reported anti muslim hate crimes ranging from graffiti on muslim graves to a mosque in joplin missouri being burned to the ground these sobering statistics make one thing very clear islamophobia has unfortunately become an epidemic in the united states from staten island new york to panama city florida to ontario california islamophobia has reared its ugly head but who and what are the roots of islamophobia in our country and what can we do as a nation and as americans to root out the ignorance and intolerance and to embrace muslims as americans and embrace islam as another mainstream religion for a bring in tonight's panel i want to start with the story of a muslim am

try with all the energy of the united states. the russians, lots of permission i had, they were very tough with hillary -- the last information i have, they were very tough with hillary clinton. we are in a difficult situation. we did it in kosovo. the new secretary-general said this is humanitarian activity. the responsibility to protect its to late. we should have used it before. we are in a messy situation. i do not know the prescription. so i stop here and let's see you illuminate us more. [laughter] >> everything he said as accurate. syria as far more complicated than libya or any of the others. we have a leader -- they have a leader i had met on numerous occasions to i do not like. he is a despot. he has taken over his father's role as a despot in chief of syria. i think people thought this might go just as easily as tunisia, egypt and with a little more time, libya. it is never going to happen. he has a military force that has demonstrated its competency over the last year-and-a-half. he also realizes that it is not just a

particularly in the united states. just to give you a little bit more context, as you noted, tanisha is the birthplace of the arab spring. the government ought to be more moderate. something we could depend on. in fact, we have seen extremist elements that work there. at the u.s. embassy there, as well as the nearby schools. the latest word we are getting from them is that security forces have done their jobs. over in sudan, the one-time home of osama bin laden. extremist elements thereto. a u.s. embassy targeted. protesters scaling the walls. the latest word from sudan is that the protesters have been expelled. let's go to lebanon now. very special this weekend being visited by the pope. trying to express a feeling of unity between the christian world and the muslim world. two symbols of the united states capitalism targeted more than the lebanese city of tripoli. one attacker was killed, 25 people were injured while police withheld that. in yemen yesterday, we saw the u.s. embassy assaulted by protesters. contacts on

look at the history of the united states. re declared our independence from england in 1776, and the u.s. constitution wasn't ratified until 1789. will you give the arabs 13 years to get their act together? and michael in virginia writes, we're lexington, concord and yorktown worth it? it's not our call, jack. if you want to read more on the subject, go to the blog cnn.com/caffertyfile or our post on the "the situation room" facebook page, wolf. >> jack, thank you. >>> shock, condemnation and grief. we're going to hear hillary clinton's rather emotional statement as the embassy crisis unfolds. nual bonus. and everyone, but her... likes 50% more cash. but, i have an idea. do you want a princess dress? yes how about some cupcakes? yes lollipop? yes! do you want an etch a sketch? yes! do you want 50% more cash? no you got talent. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card. with a 50% annual cash bonus it's the card for people who like more cash. what's in your wallet? i usually say that. humans -- sometimes life trips u

the years of military rule ruined this relationship between burma and the united states. by the way, i think i should make a point of saying there are people who refer to burma as myanmar. it is entirely a matter choice. i referred to burma as burma. this is the name by which we were known when we became independent and this is the name to which i am used. but it is each individual choice which name he or she uses. relations between the two countries deteriorated. beginning in 1962, when the first military relationship took over. -- military regime took over. the first time was in 1968, but that took a couple of years. military dictatorship was once again instituted in 1962. we can say it was more or less unchanged until 2010. it is true that the caretaker government, the military caretaker government, it took on the name of the burma socialist party. in effect, it was very much dominated by the military. since 2010, many things have changed. i will come back to that later. there was a general phobia of the burma socialist program -- there was general xenophobia of the bur

in libya, the security officials searched cars in benghazi. united states and libyan officials are trying to figure out whether this is part of the protests again the antius lame -- antiislam most or part of lend. nothing can be confirmed. hillary clinton condemned the violence and the movie. >> to us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible. it appears to have a deeply cynical purpose, to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage. as i said yesterday, there is no justification, non-at all, -- nothing at all to respond to the violence. >>shepard: the president ordered the took "do whatever necessary," to protect americans. jonathan hunt is here with the news this afternoon. the extremist use the video to ramp up anti-american sentiment as they can. >>jonathan: that is how this happens. once the heart line clerics get what they see as a justification, what many people would see as an excuse, they whip up the fervor. we now see the results of that across the middle east, particularly in yemen, with violent attack against the u

leadership but the united states and the people of the united states. i think that should be a takeaway. >> martha, i do want to look forward and right now, we have in the gulf, the largest naval exercise ever in the history of the middle east, what is the message that the united states military is trying to send here? directly aimed at iran? >> i think it's a pretty obvious message. i don't think anyone would actually tell you that on camera, jake. the message to iran is don't even try to shut down the strait of hormuz. they're building up all sort of missile-defense-type things. >> christiane the united nations general assembly meets this week. lot of tension between israel and iran. and also between israel and the obamaed obama edadministration. >> i think what's really interesting and i have talked to a lot of people about this, the israeli defense minister is starting to walk back on talks about a attack. i'm being told that possibly, sort of receding possibility at least any time. now, the israeli people don't want to see their country unilaterally

israel wants the united states to walk the walk.eaning military action sooner rather than later. >> iran will not stop unless it sees clear determination by the democratic countries of the world and a clear red line. >> israel worries by the time we act on iran, it will be too late. u.s. officials there's still time for sanctions to work. israel is the closest country to be affected by nuclear weapons in iran. >> president obama is fond of criticizing israel's leaders, even caught by microphone deriding them, undermined their position, which was tough enough as it was. >> our commitment to israel's security must not waiver and neither must our pursuit of peace. the iranian government must face a world that stays united against its nuclear ambition. >> united? maybe. there was an hour-long phone conversation between obama and netanyahu last night. we don't know if that red line moved but we do know that americans have little appetite for another war. should america be more aggressive with iran? facebook.com/carolcnn. >>> we continue

people think the united states bailed out. they see us doing nothing in syria and instead doing savage massacres. in the case of libya, we sat on our hands and did very little for 15 months, and the extremist became stronger and stronger. it's is on the freighter during an serious. >> meanwhile, benjamin netanyahu, and barack obama are having a rather public viewed at a time when tensions are rising in the threat by iran seems to be escalating and action by the israeli military seems to be, if benjamin netanyahu is clearly communicated a message, it appears to be clearly near us. >> i have been trying to read this for months and i don't know where it is headed. but i do think the administration bears some responsibility for having the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff start lecturing at the united nations for themselves -- it was almost an indication for netanyahu essay instead of giving us a red light, you could get redline through this. i think this whole discussion should be taking place because it contains critical info

they're associating this film with the united states. but if you do talk to egyptians around the square who will tell you they're against what they're seeing, they say this is not what they want for egypt, they want stability and this does not bring stability. the people we're seeing in the square right now are unemployed youth that really have no jobs, nothing else to do, so that's why they're gathering in the square and attacking lee, thank. we want to go to libya now. sources tracking militant islamic groups in the eastern part of the country they say the attack that killed chris stevens and three other americans was most likely carried out by a pro-al qaeda group. here's the latest from tripoli. >> reporter: as it becomes more apparent that the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi was a preplanned coordinated attack carried out by islamist radical groups, militants operating in the eastern part of the country, the big question is what will the libyan government do next. we heard strong words of condemnation coming out here. the pr

the family moves as a unit. there are heavy emphasis on relations and community. and all of it continues. it gives a unique aspect. >> the country, is so vast, as you said. some of my reading said it is four times as big as texas and as big something like that. it is kind of a tough neighborhood. there is a lot going on in this area. >> central asia has been a tough neighborhood for a long time -- since the breakup of the soviet union, it has been a tough neighborhood. even before that. there was a period where they're referred to the great game. it was not in kazakhstan, but the neighbors, and it was a tough neighborhood then. you can go back to 300 b.c. with the adventures of alexander the great, that this was a tough neighborhood even then. >> the sow for folks who are just watching our conversation, they may not have a map in front of them. just in your mind's eye describes some of the countries in the area. the bordering countries, and so on and so forth. >> kazakhstan is a sort of this large country. it would look enormous were not for the fact that right nex

we've had innovation in the united states for years. polaroid which started, had a success, and died. it happens all the time. if we don't have innovation, we won't have anything. apple is just one. there is a loft fanfare about it. look in the medical products area. there are thousands of inventions coming on constantly, new medicines, things like that. it's good for the economy. all of this is good for the economy. it's not just apple. god love them, let them be successful. i want everybody to be successful. >> cheryl: john, last word? >> wayne is right. numbers don't work on this. $700 billion because of one product, apple does $149 billion total right now. to tracy's point, helicopter bin, it helps if we have cyclical unemployment. we have structural unemployment. so anything like apple that comes out, the key is if you're an entrepreneur, don't copy. create. that's what apple does. >> cheryl: guys, great discussion. thank you, sally, for joining us, good to see you. >> always a pleasure. >> cheryl: coming up, tensions rising in the