but to stay competitive, bethune sold off continental express and began outsourcing more and more flyingto independent airlines. what was the whole thought process in putting this type of flying on to another company? >> it's a different kind of business. it's... regional jet flying in smaller airplanes aren't big airplanes and different employees, different labor standards, different wage rates, right? >> o'brien: still, airplanes, transportation, moving passengers safely. how is the distance traveled and the size of the airplane make it a different business in your perspective? >> they're all flying airplanes, but they're not flying the kind of airplanes you are with the same kind of standards that you're flying. and so you let that operate as it's an independent business because other people are in that business. but you can't afford to have a lot of excess cost and still win a contract. so it makes the management be cost effective. >> the major airlines created the regional industry as a way of lowering costs. they don't wt to pay employees, and i don't care whether it's pilots, flig