this is why i don't go out and meet people." >> so then -- so, helen -- helen mirren was standing onting with my girlfriend." [ laughter ] how cool is that? >> jimmy: how cool is that? yeah. that's great. yeah. that's awesome. i love that. i think he's got a good sense of humor, that guy, muhammad ali. >> yeah. >> jimmy: i've seen him a couple -- some interviews with him. >> jimmy: it's brilliant. so it's "taken," the first one. i freaked out. loved it. saw it packed with movieseers. people were screaming and going nuts and i go, "that's exactly what you want in a movie." you wanna eat popcorn and go, "yeah, get him! come on!" and how rad and what a rock star you are on the phone and i go, "come on!" people were like -- standing ovation. >> it was a good, compact, tight, little european thriller. and the second one is the same as well. and you don't have to have seen the first one to enjoy the second. >> jimmy: okay, but who gets taken now? >> well, i'm gonna use your line from last time -- i give her away. >> jimmy: yeah, this one -- you go, "here, you take her." >> because she's su

the movie was the cook, the thief, that one -- with helen merrin, who is absolutely fabulous -- helen mirren, fabulous actress. he showed me some painting of rembrandt and said, "uc that? could you do the in modern, in today? and i said i will try. yes, but it is part of the job. so i tried. i worked with a dutch artistic director, and i get to work with him. he was very specific and fabulous man. also, they were very specific about the color. in reality, they asked me because the color is a little like in the spirit. it is something in common. i was flattered to do that, but it is beautiful to see how much they are -- our work, our demand is to make a beautiful movie. i should not be able to do anything. i never thought about it, but when people ask me, you have to be so clever. >> tom ford made a movie, so why not you? >> because my brain is not that sure. you have to think about so many things. truly, it is a big work. you have to be strong. you have to take care also of the physiology of the actor which is, like, oh, my god. you can be depressed. also, you see the depression of everybody

the movie was the cook, the thief, that one -- with helen merrin, who is absolutely fabulous -- helen mirren, fabulous actress. he showed me some painting of rembrandt and said, "uc that? could you do the in modern, in today? and i said i will try. yes, but it is part of the job. so i tried. i worked with a dutch artistic director, and i get to work with him. he was very specific

the movie was the cook, the thief, that one -- with helen merrin, who is absolutely fabulous -- helen mirren, fabulous actress. he showed me some painting of rembrandt and said, "uc that? could you do the in modern, in today?

it was like working with helen mirren. it was beyond that.s just sort of -- like you know when i'm in 'n sync zinc with you it's like making love. there's no physical contact, we are doing the tango together and we're one. >> characterize the cinema you make. >> it's lee daniels. >> rose: what's the common denominator between all those films other than lee daniels? >> well, there's a theme of family. >> rose: really? >> yeah, there's a theme of family. there's a theme of that that gray area that we all live in that gray area that we live in which s not wrapped up in a bow, there's nothing nice about life. life is rough. >> and you intend to show it? >> every second of it. >> rose: good to have you here. >> good to be here. >> rose: lee daniels, the movie "paperboy" is in theaters now. always good to see you. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: back in a moment, stay with us. steve shepard is here, he served as senior editor at "newsweek" and editor-in-chief of "businessweek" from 1984 to 2005. as founding dean of the new york university's school

but unlike hitchcock films, this is a love story about hitchcock and his wife, played by helen mirrenm in. >> it has a limited -- >> hopkins and mirren, i'm in. >> i like it's about hitchcock and his relationship. not just a remake of the film. >> and it has buzz. >> and everyone wants to see her in the shower. in the janet leigh role. look for that next month. everybody. >>> do you remember these two? lennon and maisy stella? the little gifted girls use butter tubs as musical instruments. >> they were a "play of the day." >> they were on our show. and guess what? casting agents have noticed. the little song birds have been cast on abc's new show "nashville" and will have recurring roles. >> but they have beautiful sounds. they're not what you would typically hear. >> and their little butter tubs. >> i want to give josh credit. you should be an agent. >> i love 'em. they were great. >> and the harmony's perfect. >> they played for my birthday. they sang "happy birthday." it was great. >> now, they'll have their people call your people because they're stars. they're going to appear in