. >> so six years later i was there in dallas, my buddy pat riley rooted against you, then 2011, you become champions, that doesn't just happen. you and i agree, leadership is the cutting edge, we're about to decide who our leader should be for the next four years, you look at john wooden, he had different players, seven championships in a row. how valuable is the leader, what is the most important qualities in the leader today? how do you know if they have the right stuff and how do you know if you let them go at a tough time or stay with them? >> it is always tough with coaches, like they tell you, they're hired to be fired. one of the critical points, in sports leadership, you not only have to know what you're good at, you have to know what you're not good at. and that is one of rick's incredible strengths, he says this is what i'm good at. i'm not so good at this, if you can provide me help for what i'm good at, that is my job, what i'm good at. to put a few more in that success leadership, to get a few more of these. >> the guys back in the days of the bulls, jordan, competing t