like the american dream, houses, cars, tvs, big macs, and then as the "new york times"s columnist tom freedman says we will need another planet. today we power our lives with fossil fuels, oil, coal and natural gas provide 80% of our energy. but do we have enough energy to keep growing at this pace? and are we harming the ecosystem in which we live? already sea levels are rising and scientists projections about climate change are becoming more alarming. that's why bill gates makes his wish for energy that is cheap and clean. in this article, a "time" magazine essay, we're going to see who's doing best at energy production around the world. we'll look at technologies of the future and best practices for today. we'll go to a country that gets 75% of its electricity from a source that emitts zero car bong dioxide and we'll introduce a new energy that's cheap, cleaner than coal and right in our own backyards. but we'll take you to a country that was almost totally dependent on oil ten years ago. now this nation is totally energy independent. how did they do it? let's find out. in 1973, denmark was

maybe it was tom freedman. in fact he wasn't. >>, i mean, life is more complicated despite the analogy. >> he raced. he raised taxes when he needed to . >> he did a lot of things and, you know, that's why i think parties in opposition tend to be less responsible than parties in power. i think you probably agree with that. >> what's different. >> difference in agreeing from your point of view. i can think of times when the other party also behavedder responsely in the opposition and the question is, it seems to me is if romney's elected you have the party that was, you know, that you think was irresponsible is now in a position they actually have to governor and we'll see what happens with that and that generally tends paul parties forward the center. no matter what. the way the left is unhappy with obama in many republicannings because if you would have the democratic opposition. if obama wins the second term that's going to be the interesting question. and i'm optimistic because my reading of history is differ

. >> host: you say people like tom freedman make the argument we need more education to keep up with global competition. we need to do a better job. you counter by saying, education wouldn't help. highly educate young people are being paid less and leaving with higher debt loans. >> guest: exactly. >> guest: we have a story in the book a sad story about the computer programmer who had the education, excellent grades where he worked. the fellow in southern california got high marks, people he had education. under the new rules that let all of these things come back that folks come in and lure salaries to be -- the jobs education -- we make the point in the book that education alone is not the answer we're not against education. unless it's a company by a more realistic trade policy and economic policy, that alone is not going to be the answer. >> host: there's a shortage of job. and you believe the shortage of jobs is caused by policies nut place by politicians that favor the very rich these multinationals and hedge funds that are taking their money oversea, that are building overseas

. >> host: you say people like tom freedman make the argument we need more education to keep up with global competition. we need to do a better job. you counter by saying, education wouldn't help. highly educate young people are being paid less and leaving with higher debt loans. >> guest: exactly. >> guest: we have a story in the book a sad story about the computer programmer who had the education, excellent grades where he worked. the fellow in southern california got high marks, people he had education. under the new rules that let all of these things come back that folks come in and lure salaries to be -- the jobs education -- we make the point in the book that education alone is not the answer we're not against education. unless it's a company by a more realistic trade policy and economic policy, that alone is not going to be the answer. >> host: there's a shortage of job. and you believe the shortage of jobs is caused by policies nut place by politicians that favor the very rich these multinationals and hedge funds that are taking their money oversea, that are building overseas