arby's? i'm not going back there! (laughter) what could have destroyed this beloved american diabetes dispensary. >> it's the unions that really did it in because they would not allow hostess to operate efficiently. >> hostess, which was forced to close its doors due to union demands, they couldn't afford to stay in business during a long worker strike. >> the union preferred killing the company to accepting what they thought was a bad deal. >> jon: unions! you've got to imagine gingrich is taking this hard. he is, after all, half stpho * ball on his father's side. (laughter) just to play devil dog advocate here, could there be another reason hostess went bankrupt? >> this company could not run itself efficiently. in the last ten years they've had seven c.e.o.s. >> jon: oh, uncertainty. i'm told the market abhors it. >> after the 2004 bankruptcy, the workers took wage and benefit cuts. it wasn't enough. the c.e.o. gave himself a 300% raise. >> jon: so the unions had already taken a cut in somewhat inverse verse propor