ralph nader. many people believe he was very much a factor in the result resn 2000. you go all the way back to 19 auto, john anderson. and throughout history-- we may not remember all their names but they have played a role in american politics. >> absolute. you can go back to 1968 and orge wallace and hismerican independent party. and the fact of the matter is, richard nixon, once elected, adopted-- i remember-- the nixon southern strategy. it was designed, as much as anything else, to coopt to bring the southern democrats, conservatives, into the republican party. if not formally, then in practical terms. and, indeed, the nixon landed slide in 1972 was built very largely around the success of that strategy. independents and third-party candidates do be when they have a cause. >> that's right. >> to arouse passion. enough passion to draw people away from their conventional political loyalties. and it's a curious thing. in some ways, you would have thought this year with the concern people are voicing about the deficit, about the course of the economy, you would have thought that there was a political climate that m