the experience possess a 50 or 60-year-old conductor, you know, sometimes people compare you with berson>> it is impossible to compare, because they are masters, you know, and i am sure when they were young they were doing -- they were searching, they were, you know, thinking the way that they developed at the end, and it is fascinating, because what i see in five years in my life, i see my life conducting, and trying to understand what i am doing now, and what i will do at that time more deeply. >> rose: daniel birnbaum was a mentor, samuel was a mentor, they give you what? >> >> well, they are all different, you know, of course, my main mentor is sebraio, he is my maestro, my teacher, and i learn everything, the structure, the basis of what i am now, you know, what i do with music, he has an amazing brain. >> rose: yes, he does. >> incredible way to think, because never, never you do something and never is not a question there. >> rose: yes. >> why did you do that? gustavo-ito. >> rose: why did you do that? >> why did you do that? >> well, maestro -- no that is not the answer, the answ