the former charles koch foundation now named cato is right that israel and switzerland are models we should look at even though they got their facts wrong about those countries in both countries people have rights to education and health care and no right to own a gun unless they can prove they actually need one and it's worked out very well for the citizens of both countries we should learn from and copy their example now for more my pappa tonio is here again he's attorney and host of ring of fire radio mike welcome back tom how are you just great great to have you with us what do you think of the president's speech last night i thought it was good i thought he sounded the human human side they got him elected that's what we saw and it's he's at his very best when he is when he's speaking in situations like this do you think that there's a possibility of the this could be a defining moment for his presidency. yeah i think it could every presidency has its. yes j.f.k. he had the cuban missile crisis that defined his presidency f.d.r. had the depression that define his presidency this

an e-mail from charles koch to friends says in part, "we are working hard to understand the election results, to re-examine our vision and the strategies and capabilities required for success." >>> "the new york times" reports "game change" co-authors mark halperin and joe hileman have signed on to write a new book about this year's election. the title, "double down: game change 2012." and like the last book that chronicles the obama/mccain campaign, this will eventually be turned into a show on hbo. >>> as more states move to decriminalize marijuana, you can add one more name to the list of people who think that is an idea worth exploring. that would be former president jimmy carter. >> i'm in favor of it. i think it's okay. i think we could watch and see what happens in the state of washington, for instance, around seattle, and let the american government and let the american people see, does it cause a serious problem or not. all drugs were decriminalized in portugal about ten years ago, and the use of drugs has gone down dramatically. >>> elsewhere, you have heard stephen colbert

president harding was charles koch favorite president by the way if you read some of his newsletters even sent troops and billy mitchell took them to the american air force to drop some of the air on american citizens so that's what they faced on top of the red scare or taishan the beatings the firings and so on so far they had no rights and when they tried to get those rights. they suffered really seriously and president harding by the way has his campaign slogan in one nine hundred twenty was more business and government less government and business and she's you know it's bizarre it's kind of a reagan esque who is vance muse right about him in some way but cracks are beginning to track how where this euphemism came from right to work because obviously it was created by p.r. people for big business and kind of surprised at the people didn't do this. and it turns out that it was the brainchild of this guy vance spence muses like a cross between colorado of his day karl rove and david duke absolute fascist racist anti-semite you know he even lobbied against women's suffrage against c

they are playing a long game and if you look at what they have done with koch industries where charles kochook it over in 1967 when it was worth, i don't know, $10 million, $20 million, somewhere in that neighborhood. both kochs are closing in on $100 billion, each of them are worth $31 billion. so you don't get that kind of wealth and it's a private company, so they didn't get some bang from being public. they slowly built, they're disciplined. the story goes into great detail on how they built their business and how that can then be applied to how they think politically. >> i am assuming randall, final question, that notwithstanding the fact that mitt romney was emphatically defeated, they are looking forward to 2014 and 2016. >> they are looking forward to 2040. david said in our story, we are going to do this until we stop breathing, until our last breath. everyone who thought, 2012, they put a lot of money in, they're going to go away. david koch said we're not going to play dead. they aren't going anywhere. >> intonations of immortality. randall lane, thank you so much. stay with us.

sell it off to pay death taxes, but i think they have a very deep director bench directly beneath charles kochhere? >> their president, for example is non-family member. the heads of flint hills which is refining and georgia-pacific those are the two biggest companies. a lot of the other top members are family members. but i would bet that they are going to end up in control at some point. >> and most presumably they will continue the political influencing, or attempt to. daniel fisher i really thing you for coming in. up next there's been a mitt romney siting. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. v ♪ >>> it is not like we needed any more proof that mitt romney just isn't the guy you want in your corner, but we got some. [ cheers ] >> the former presidential candidate was ring side in vegas this weekend when juan manuel marquez knocked out mani pacquiao pacquiao. he reported said hi mani i'm mitt r

. >> [inaudible] >> matt flynn, charles koch foundation.hen you say that it's something we need to repair, what would you prescribe to be a fix for that? isn't that undermining the idea of spontaneous order? >> no. i think that all order has certain constraints that it acts within. you know, water's formed when you unite oxygen and hydrogen. so i think that that spontaneous stuff has to happen when you have control of your borders, when you have an english language, when you -- let me go back to a previous book, to give a plug to that, "what would the founders say." and one of the things i noted in the section on education, and it surprised me, was that almost all the founders favored some sort of public education. i was getting into that, and i thought, all right, i'm going to find home schoolers here. it didn't happen. but what i found put that in that public education, they expected and demanded that certain things be taught, and those certain things were, you know, math and language skills. but also a patriotic history. and this was the

. >> david and charles koch, the billionaire businessmen behind a vast industrial empire are also politicalnda. their companies and foundations have been alec members and funders for years. >> the koch brothers were among the two or three largest contributors to scott walker's campaign for governor of wisconsin. and the koch brothers get that if you really want to influence the politics of this country, you don't just give money to presidential campaigns. you don't just give money to congressional campaign committees. the smart ones, the smart players put their money in the states. >> hi, i'm scott walker. >> it's state government that funds education, social services, and it taxes. >> if you want lower taxes and less government, i'm scott walker, and i know how to get the job done. >> and so the smart donors can change the whole country without ever going to washington, without ever having to go through a congressional hearing, without ever having to lobby on capitol hill, without ever having to talk to a president. >> please raise your right hand and repeat after me. >> the new governor m

we looked inside koch industries and charles and david koch brought us inside.spend a good amount of time going, traveling throughout the koch empire. it was their first interview since the election. i mean, if you want to understand the politics of the kochs, you have to understand the business of the kochs. these are people who work -- they're not working on days or months or an election cycle kind of a world view. they're working in decades. if you look at what they built, what charles koch specifically has built over 50 years, he's been ceo of koch industries over 50 years, started when he was very young, inheriting from their father, they're up for the long game. so they had the long game in business. >> yes. >> their company is incredibly profitable and incredibly influential. but they're using the same philosophy in politics. and so david koch is telling us, people are just like, okay. the kochs. that didn't quite work in 2012 so that's it for them. david koch tells us, we are going to keep doing this in terms of the political stuff until we stop breathin

that keeps corporations from from doing too much in this area but there's nothing to stop charles or david koch from simply writing i mean there. billion dollar fortunes all you do is raise some revenue. i'm really at a loss to know exactly how to deal with this situation that we've gotten ourselves into it is a tough one i'm curious what your thoughts are eric holder suggesting national voter standards if we were going to shift the topic here and the problem. i'm guessing you saw earlier the clip of paul always saying you know our leverage in the elections goes up as the voting populace goes down this should basically be the republican party's plan. well there's no question that republicans hate democracy when the comes right down to it. and they they really don't think poor people and it's very common to hear republicans say that people on welfare should not be allowed to vote now that wouldn't i think there's an awful lot of people who are on welfare namely the the elderly who receive author income from social security medicare who nevertheless vote republican and don't realize that they are

that keeps corporations from from doing too much in this area but there's nothing to stop charles or david koch from simply writing i mean there are each worth twenty billion dollars they could spend a billion dollars to write a by election it would be nothing to them nothing. and isn't that antithetical to democracy at the end of the day or to a republic to a functional well functioning republic it certainly seems that way but i don't know how you get around the fact that we do permit free speech i mean it is there i mean by the u.k. they have a wealth tax and not just the u.k. i'm lot of that too and you know well tax but you wouldn't do it you wouldn't prevent the creation of a billion dollar fortunes all you do is raise some revenue. i i'm really at a loss to know exactly how to deal with the situation that that we've gotten ourselves into it is a tough one i'm curious what your thoughts are eric holder suggesting national voter standards are you going to shift the top or care a little bit and the problem to you but i guess you saw earlier the clip of part of the way rick saying you know ou

well, i got four words for you: charles & david koch conservative brothers with combined net worth of $80,000,000,000, $80,000,000,000 have spent a fortunate to kill climate legislation. they have also funded climate change denial science, and they've waged an all-out attack on clean air laws of the. the top 25 senators who have received the most campaign cash from from, seven sitting here today on the environmental public works committees and big surprise. they are all republicans and they have all voted in favor of oil interests. john barasso, jim inhoff and lamar alexander have voted for fossil fuels 94% of the time. the koch brothers have given $60 million to groups that fund climate denial research including senator jim demint's new home the heritage foundation. right now, halfway across the world in doha qatar, world leaders are meeting for climate talks. according to a new report the koch's influence is being felt there as well. coming to us via skype from doha qatar, where it's the middle of the night is victor minadi, the executive director that did that report the internatio

the billionaire brothers charles and david koch are known for funneling vast amounts of money into republican campaigns. the u.s. is accused of blocking progress here at doha and a new report says that the koch brothers might be the biggest force behind the stalemate. they run oil refineries and control thousands of miles of pipeline, giving them a massive personal stake in the fossil fuel industry. researchers say they have also funneled tens of millions of dollars into climate-denial science, trying to derail policy that could lessen the impact of global warming. the report is called "faces behind a global crisis: us carbon billionaires and the un climate deadlock ." to talk more about this, we are joined by one of its authors, victor menotti. victor, welcome. for people watching on television, you may have noticed a spider or my left shoulder. that is a piece of art here at the convention center, a massive 9 meter sculpture. there are marble eggs inside the spider's sac. she made it for her mother, who was a weaver. you have an image of what you call the kochtopus, not a positive image, bu

koch brothers. >> yeah, two. >> charles and david. >> that's two. >> yeah. >> donald trump and yvona.eep track. >> whoever the latest bimbo is. >> on twitter to pay. >> the meanie on the hill, cranley woman from north carolina blew up a the a stamp for writing on a -- riding on a members-only capitol. the congresswoman, virginia fox berated -- >> nuts. >> yeah. >> berated an unknown stamp of another member, asking if she could read the sign that said "members only." the signed said for members only during votes. there was no vote happening at the time. the congresswoman would not let it go. here? released a statement saying, the incident was blown out of proportion. >> by the way, this reminds me that the house, a couple of days ago passed legislation removing the word "lunatic." right? from basically the english did did -- from any laws dealing with people who are mentally disabled. and i understand that. >> sure. >> a perjorative term but you can use it for members of congress. village fox is a certified lunatic, cert afied lun aim tick. now she proved it yesterday. anyhow, good new