david byrne. >> i thought i can do this. i can communicate this way. but i also felt at that point and i think probably a lot of artists and musicians feel this, we want to over throw whatever the reigning order of music is at that time, not violently just what is successful now, most of it doesn't mean anything to us. we have to make our own music, we have to make music for our generation, for our friends. >> rose: right. >> and it is not -- we are going to wipe the slate clean. >> rose: gustavo dudamel and david byrne when we continue. funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: maestro gustavo dudamel is here, berlin philharmonic once called him the most astonishingly talented conductor industry ever come across. he is beloved bolivar orchestra in vendz well, ven venezuela anw is with the la philharmonic. ♪ >> rose: he is in new york to, bolivar orchestra in carnegie called, voices from latin america, also dedicated further music

. >> rose: gustavo dudamel and david byrne when we continue. funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: maestro gustavo dudamel is here, berlin philharmonic once called him the most astonishingly talented conductor industry ever come across. he is beloved bolivar orchestra in vendz well, ven venezuela anw is with the la philharmonic. ♪ >> rose: he is in new york to, bolivar orchestra in carnegie called, voices from latin america, also dedicated further musical education and social justice around the world, i am pleased to have gustavo dudamel at this table for the first time. >> thank you. it is an honor. >> rose: my pleasure. >> huge honor. >> rose: we have been wanting to do this for a while. tell me about the music you have selected for the performance. >> yes. this is a festival called dos americas here in new york, and we decide to bring, you know, this amazing music that we have, this very latin, in a ways of irs stic

david blitzer says it is the economy. he joins tracy and ash next. tracy: i'm tracy byrnes. ashley: i'm ashley webster.bal sparring on the fiscal cliff and no new progress on a deal. house speaker boehner says he is heading to ohio tomorrow. that is not a good sign. with 18 days and counting until the new year is it too late to avoid the cliff? tracy: republican congressman tom cole is our guest. he says congress should pass the president's tax hikes but it won't solve the whole problem. ashley: businesses bracing for the fiscal cliff and even more government regulation. chairman of oil and natural gas produce other energy xx 1, john shiller is here and how his company is bracing for the worse. tracy: time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. nicole, we were saying, sitting here yesterday at this time, the market was up about 60 points. now, we are down. so much for the bernanke rally, huh? >> that's right. it was a little celebrate, good times around this time after we already heard from the fomc and quantitative easing and accommodative