that is john boehner -- that makes dunnigan's double little bit more difficult.emain optimistic that for all the reasons we can work together outweigh the reasons parethat will divide us. guest: he's right. at the clinton tax rates and those spending levels, the whole national debt would have been paid down by 2009. in 2000 we had, after september 11, two wars, and funded and unpaid for. and a windfall in medicaid that we corrected in 2010 with the affordable care act. and the tax cuts. the tax cuts have become the focus of this work. we are winding down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. we're out of iraq and winding down in afghanistan. then we ought to be able to take and use those monies that we are going to say from that to reinvest in america's infrastructure and put people back to work. host: helen in warrenton, virginia, independence. caller: i have a question about - i have not heard a lot of people talk about this, what is referred to as the marriage penalty. i'm having a hard time understanding how two people that live together each making $125,000 or $