. >> so, professor haddad, who was getting the money, the profits? >> the profits went to the individuals within these networks. the people that are involved in these networks include state officials. this would be public sector managers, government employees at high levels, ministers, the prime minister -- [inaudible] and, of course, folks very high up in the regime including their own family. the point is that these networks, or the point of the book is that the state business networks exist in every society. even in the united states. they are usually, usually not always, but usually corrupt and they siphon off a awful lot of money. however, in some areas, some countries there are checks and balances. much more so than others. and in a place like syria, these checks and balances were not consistent to prevent these networks that operate anywhere in the world from actually running the economy into the ground. >> so could you give some examples, number one, of this network that you talk about in the u.s., how it exists? >> in the u.s., for instance,