and the union shop, and you are while you are getting all the benefits of the union, some people don't want those benefits and i apparently many of the ones left behind in michigan, and there aren't that many left behind because the state has been so destroyed, don't want the union pause they prefer to have jobs. they don't have jobs in michigan. do you know, by the way, this someone of my candidates for president, rick snyder. he's a magnificent governor and bless the legislator. detroit used to have millionaires than new york. it it was a beautiful city. they almost had the eolympics there. you can see the videos of what detroit was like. first it was dried by the mob with the race riots. then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad. and people have the precise numbers on this. the amount of money you paid for a car that is paying for pensions of people who retired five years ago that's correct is a do youing state. one of the most beautiful states in the union and that's what happens. >> let me answer your great point. this is true. right now detroit is on the verge o

the unions threaten their own job security. you look at the manufacturing job, the single greatest threat to your job security, your company being shut down if you are in a union that burdens the company with costs that they can't bear! >> steven, i don't need to be schooled by you. okay? -- >> well, youust were! you just were! >> let me explain to you something about unions, including the studio i am sitting in right now, i built. okay, my friend? everything from the financial center up to yankee stadium -- >> congratulations. >> has been built by union labor. stop demonizing them -- >> they were built by americans. >> demonized. okay. the people who are causing this labor dispute is the leadership. and of course, at the end of it -- >> it's the people of michigan! >> sean: let me go -- >> it's the people of michigan! >> sean: you are one of the few union people who criticizes leadership -- wait a minute. i agree with you. but here's the question. they are force ago you can't work at a company unless you join the union that you

the unions will not be busted. the purpose of this is to bust unions. to bust the voice of people. and i want to make this clear. this isn't about unionization. in and of itself. because there's been a voice in the workplace take the auto industry. we now have harmonious labor relations. management labor relations. if you ask any ceo of the big three, they'll say do you think there should be a so-called right-to-work law and if they tell you what they really think they'll say no way because it disrupts a harmonious relationship. it puts a premium on people fighting among themselves within a bargaining unit and then they fight against the employer. it is 180 degrees in the wrong direction for the middle class of america and for harmonious labor relations. this is a tragic day in the history of the labor movement but more importantly in the history of michigan. >> eliot: i could not agree more. very quickly unfortunately time runs short. the argument made by the governor of michigan and others who support this wrongheaded law, is that it will help job growth. it will generate a flow o

the union dues or putting christmas presents under the tree for your kids. t that they don't want to pay their union dues, it is just they're forced into a position that, you know, hard to make a choice, a good choice. >> jennifer: but isn't that exactly what the republicans are arguing that teachers should get a choice on where their money goes. what's the response to that? >> well, teachers should have a choice where their money goes. however, if you are going to receive services, you should be paid for those services. or you should be paying in for the services. for example if i don't want to pay my taxes and i want full-services from the state they're not going to go for that. i mean they're still going to expect me to pay my taxes and my fair share. that's all we're asking of folks. we want you to pay your fair share. you don't have to be a member of the union. you still have to pay the fee to be -- to get benefits from the organization. >> jennifer: so what are you worried about now in your school now that the bill has been signed or will be signed tomo

unions. there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it correct t. i just know that it exists because, you know, you are negotiating with the person who put in office. >> exactly. right! they go raise money for this guy, they nominate him and then they elect him. he wins by a few poign points and they want to negotiate the contract, joe, you and i are buddies. let's talk it over. so have you an inherent conflict of interest. the public prb with the public unions, look, we are borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. mon of the public unions when i wrote by book, the federal government, the pay and benefits combined of the average federal worker were about twice what the

and the other unions to blame for this this is the home of big union and if they can lose there that's the evidence of the people who know them best know that worst well it might be the home of big union but it's also right now controlled by a republican state legislature a republican governor which is and they're forcing this law throughout the house to americans for prosperity in kokoda groups and there are huge protests confronting the passage of this law as you mentioned the stats five thousand dollars less every year twenty one percent fewer people on health on health today health benefits and more workplace in other words higher corporate profits here but speakers the workers more money gets cut by c.e.o.'s and if you look at the right to work states they're all southern states they're all the same states that are collecting a lot more money from the government and they're paying into the government because people have to go on benefits right there people have to go on government benefits because their employer isn't paying them enough to get by so mark well first of all this ide

the confederates had now figured out some way to carry the war to the union forces. they had built an iron clad named the arkansas up the river in mississippi and it came down all by itself and attacked the union fleet in july of 1862. the confederates had gotten two raider, the florida and the alabama, built in britain, and they were being loosed on the seas now in the summer and fall of 1862. the union navy had captured galveston in october 1862 but the confederates counter-taked on new year's day and drove them out. so the momentum of the war had seemed to be reversed. and it took awhile before it would swing back in the union favor again. >> craig, jim mentioned haleck's reluctance to involve himself. walk house the development of the understanding of the urgent need for joint operations? >> i was just going to say the broader question behind this is the fact there was no protocol no understanding, and very little experience in the history of the united states that would allow the navy and the army to work as partners on a single team. we have to remember that the

one, the union established its blockade along the south atlantic coast. enslaved americans recognized that this was potential salvation, and can thousands of them came down to the coastline or the rivers when union gunboats ventured up the rivers, sort of flagged them down, asked to be taken onboard, asked to be protected and so forth. so one of the things the union navy did was erect a series of camps on those offshore islands, the most famous led to the creation of some of the earliest black schools in the south, on hilton head and so forth. but it wasn't unusual that african-americans would come down to the coast and ask to be taken off, and that's one of the reasons why the number of backs serving in the navy increased. but what happened off charleston was something altogether different. there was a small boat used by the confederates there to bring supplies, information and messages back and forth among the various ports in charleston -- forts in charleston. fort sumter, fort johnson, castle pinckney and the battery, and this small boat -- called the

is suffer the same fate michigan is the fifth most unionized state in the nation with nearly one third of all voters living in unionized households but michigan's organized labor community was outmatched or at least caught off guard by a corporatist sneak attack led by dick vos and the koch brothers last week they forced republican governor rick snyder to renege on earlier promises turn his back on working people and throw support behind michigan becoming the twenty fourth right to work for less state in the united states now workers in michigan can expect the lower wages minimal benefits and more deadly workplace accidents that always accompany right to work for less laws wherever they may spring up and labor unions in the state will watch helplessly as critical revenue dries up in organizations fracture under the weight of union freeloaders who have who now have the choice to not pay their union dues even though they benefit from being in a union the koch's strategy can be summed up in one sentence this can happen in michigan and it can happen in any state and given what's

benefits of the union well it depends on maybe some people doing what i think a lot of others don't ok well we'll be back with more of the nice long liberal all right after the break. today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world from the streets of canada. for racial. pretty free. for green green green. green. green. hold free brown. for your media project free media. dot com. on the back of a long liberal rumble joining your christopher bedford and dan bongino and let's get back to it. let's talk about foreign nations and our domestic industries according to data from deal logic chinese investors bought big pieces of a record number of industries the united sates just so far this year they've spent ten billion dollars acquiring u.s. companies far exceeding their previous record spending binge in two thousand and seven which was nearly nine billion dollars following the footsteps of saudi i mean this isn't just about china the saudis own a big chunk of america the british the german the french companies they're all buying them many of t

one looked at the union government, the structure of the states and the federal government in the union in the state's and the federal the limit in the confederacy and says the confederacy was the state. they succeeded on state rights and then they had to build and proceeded to because they had to build this enormous state apparatus. they conscripted within a year. think about that as a statement of state power. they conscripted within a year and they passed the taxes within basically a year, and they had agents of the federal government all over the south literally taking food out of people's barnes. it was the only way that they could feed the army. so, fay and pressed which was an enormous fight, that is the fascinating part of the story is these huge slaveholders go to war to protect and then they find out the new government is there to protect them in the war but it turns out the federal government wants to and needs to use them to win the war. it is this the enormous cost of between the slave holders and the government and they also read equals and the government that says congres

dues and if they don't want to take the benefits of the union well it depends on maybe some people doing what i think a lot of others don't ok well we'll be back with more of the nice long liberal all right after the break. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom hartman welcome to the big picture. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call a donor. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares an awful lot about my country you sir are a fool you know what kind of mind their terrorist cells in your neighborhood all want to give us a defeat terrorism on the on the liberal and the christian point you. can see your beliefs about it because you know the corporate media distracts us from what you and i should care about because they're profit driven industry that sells a sensationalistic garbage he calls it breaking news i'm

unions? at its core, undermines the ability for unions to organize. , richard. let's let him answer the question. >> this does not deal with organizing or collective bargaining, this has nothing to do with the relationship between an employer and union. this is about the relationship between unions and workers. and this is about giving workers the freedom to choose, and unions have to be in a position to present a good value proposition. if you look at the history of unions in michigan, we had very strong labor movement here. if you go to the last century, people flocked to join unions because they saw value in that. fast forward to today, shouldn't unions still have to present a value proposition? and if they do, people will join. people will want to be part of a union. and if they don't provide value, people shouldn't be forced to pay for something they don't see any value in. so again, this should make unions more effective in terms of having to put a value proposition to workers. >> governor, while i made a similar argument earlier that workers sho

the modern nation state i'm joined by christian winning in berlin he is the secretary general of the union of european federalists in belfast we have anthony rosato he is a political commentator and former irish political activist and in munich we crossed the jose newness he is a professor of the department of modern american history at the university of santiago de compostela all right gentlemen cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want christian if i go to you first so we're returning to an age of nationalism a new nationalism considering what's going over going on in europe. we are talking about the separatism that we see the so-called vulcanization of europe and all over the world we have these strivings but i believe that we are getting into consultation of special of the european union as as the other regions in the world see they can't cope together with only two or three states but they have to be a real region to count in the world on a global scale ok so that means everything's fine in the european union. well everything's fine so far in the european

that the birthplace of the powerful united auto workers union. martha: this has huge national implications over the power of organized labor. governor rick snyder believes there will be more job. he believes the protests hurt more than they help. here he is. >> if you go forward you will create a environment involving labor issues this could rise to the lebl level where i might not keep it off my agenda. i'm not happy about being in this situation. >> he has the responsibility as our leader avoiding this kind of a cliff. it is not, it is not good enough to be for him to say liks behind us. this will do the opposite. martha: there is the scene there. that is a live shot this morning. we were told there would be perhaps thousands of people gathering on the scene. certainly seems to becoming out to be that kind of a turnout. take a look at that this morning, 9:01 eastern time in lansing, michigan. the governor is set to sign this into law later today. it will become the 24th right to work state in the nation. this is growing trend across the united s

start with compared to the union 22. that was a tough road to hoe but if it is not as much paid attention to because 4 million wear black or slave so when it came time to mobilize the not have access to 10 million but a white population of 6 million, half for women and half for under age. the demographics were tough to start. >>host: how many white males? >>guest: i tried to figure out how many of of voting age. that link was pretty tight and with the voting age white men with 18 through 35 by the end it is 18 to 55. >>host: what advantages besides cotton, we hear about that for years what are the advantages? >> as lee said they were overwhelmed by the industrial north of slave labor south than two-thirds of the capital is with enslaved human beings. they had to ship out across the embargo. and then they could list the things that they don't have. with a lot of faith just says they made the united states when it was they could secede to make this other country in independent to build a nation states on the basis of cotton

there is neither in the union in the christian democratic union challenger nor is there anybody from the opposition so far who is a strong enough personality to really challenge her so michael is trying to tie the e.u. to a fiscal union if michael is redirected for a third term how much will her european economic policy change i mean will it become more aggressive she seems to have a lot of weight since she is the most popular person at the moment. yeah it will not become more aggressive but it will be felt more strongly because this fiscal union which is imposed from central bureaucratic brussels will force. the people to accept things that they otherwise wouldn't accept so it will become and so governments and parliaments will lose its sovereign budget rights and that is unbelievable for a confederation of states as europe it is so if she is reelected will she be seeking to firmly establish germany as the center of the euro politically as well as economically no i don't think so i think she will still seek the support of all other european partner countries however the central force

this could be the union equivalent of the pledge by enforced by louder and stronger guys. they have no issue, a pledge not to break up unions. never md this threatens businesses coming to their state or hiring more workers in their state, a lot figure out if they are not union workers, maybe they are knol not real workers,s such edstupid, and dangerous. do you want to know my biggest worry for the new year? it is not a cliff, i think will pass, stubborn politicians see the night. it is be on i union bosses who e their own members because they are fuse on see the light. why not stop? >> why not, because the essence of what we need in the economy is build rebuild, and preserve a stable middle class, after world war ii, strong union, businesses who understood value of a well paid workforce and government policies combined to create middle class in the u.s. was the envy of the world. neil: i agree, but you think n they are over pushing it. >> i think that people are going too far are the governors, who are attempting to really under cut the middle class. neil: how are they doin

contract is why the kids suffer. your union is the problem. >> he opposes letting people this gave his rules to allow them to attend charter schools. >> over my dead body blow they go there. i will be there and physically try to stop them. there are certain things oil and water you cannot emulsify no. there is not half empty schools she say the charter favors rich kids. >> york public schools spend 400,000 per classroom the charter gets less. >> not that much less. john: it it is hardly the rich versus up four. >> let them into your school. >> we don't them. john: if you are not happy for them. >> does fox let abc into the building? >> but we cannot banish the competition. competition is good why we have msnbc and fox and cnn if you have a choice than competition makes things better. he understands that about his own education. >> my mother paid for me to go and it made me feel that i had better do pretty good or else. john: it sounds like you are arguing against the unionized school >> i am not those are still catholic schools

it left out states that had remained loyal to the union. it left out areas of the confederate states that were under federal control. the tension between who's really going to complete the emancipation process. lincoln, for awhile, tried to encourage the border states to do it themselves, even gradually, and he was going to offer federal assistance. what's more is that as important as the emancipation proclamation was was it's a war measure. it gets to the issue of the 13th amendment. what happened once the war ended, what the emancipation proclamation retained its legal authority or educatively -- effectively be overthrown by the courts? the press for the amendment came to secure emancipation, but remember, too, the emancipation proclamation would be in effect if the union side won the war and the confederate side surrendered. if there was an arms assist, the proclamation would be out the window, and certainly, at that point, slavery would not return as it had been before, but history does go backwards. >> host: steven hahn, the political w

theory their total separation from the soviet union and supported them but i think that there's a degree of high-pockets see it off in my opinion simply as dictated by the strategic interest all of the either the european major parcels germany britain or the united states so i think we have to look at the reality of the situation it's not the actual world where we're living in a pure democracy where people say oh grant freedom to everyone there's total high-pockets say and culture addiction throughout the world at the moment with relation to the formation of small nation states because they want to let's look at spain i mean why should the richest part of spain pay for the rest of the country if they want to be on their own. well we put a question another way around the why why don't they feel they have to share their solidarity with other parts of the country i mean you can reproduce the argument. within these nations as well and the poorest part of catalonia i mean sustained by the roots aspire of petroleum i think this is part to partially a wishful thinking i mean and he has

they're getting it from the unions. without labor, democrats lose a solid base in wisconsin, michigan, ohio and pennsylvania and illinois. let's see, think about that. all those states together, holy smokes, that's the rust belt of america. it's the breadbasket of union membership in this country. so look at a these right-to-work states. they almost always go republican. so what the gop is missing is what? the rust belt. that's right. if they can crack the democratic hold on the rust belt, they can cobble together electoral victories. keep in mind none of those michigan republicans ran on a right-to-work platform because if they had, they would never have been elected to the house or senate in that state. they were mum's the word. they were pretty quiet about that. but, you know, once they got in, here comes the big money interests like the koch brothers. they are now pulling all the levers of government in the shadows in every state they possibly can. right wing groups reportedly threatened michigan senate majority lead

the difference since 1990 has been 25 seats going from the forced unionism states to the right-to-worktates. people are voting with their feet. people don't want to be forced into unionism, they don't want to have a pay a union to keep their jobs. lou: and the fact of the matter is that a heritage study shows a quarter of union members would stop paying dues if they could. they're being begin thaa opportunity under legislation. as we reported, 22 states considering it this year, four of them actually got it done including now most recently, of course, the state of michigan. how powerful is this movement going to be over the course of the next year? >> i think this is a very important movement, because people want jobs. and what happens is if your forced unionism destroys jobs by forcing people to pay the union's dues and forcing all sorts of featherbedding, all sorts of regulations which don't serve the company or productivity. forced unionism is bad. people vote against it all the time. in wisconsin when public employees were given the opportunity, more than half of them said good-bye

right to choose whether or not you want to join the union. country is right to work. >> eric: and will allow you to leave the union. there are car companies that came or here and choose not do do business in detroit. instead this may be actually one of the best things that could happen to the state of michigan and maybe the city of detroit. if you are a car company and want to do business there because the unions are too strong and thes have to be so high and all of the jumping through hoops. maybe now you can. maybe the next car company will go do business there and bring jobs there. >> gretchen: remember back during the bailout, the unions got the good end of the deal in the bailout. it was privately held dealerships that got the rough deal. >> eric: stock holders and bond holders. >> steve: if you were holding gm stock it went to zero. >> gretchen: unions won in that deal. >> eric: uah w took billions up front. stock holders you know you might lose everything. when you buy a bond you are first in line and they wiped out the bond holders. >>

the union? >> yes. >> okay. thank you. >> commissioner murase? >> i have a question. does this resignation in any way impact our ability to reapply for another position within the district? >> it does not. >> any other comments? mr. kelly, you have crept up closer and closer so say something. >> i think we have initial confusion. if you look at the footnote on the letter, you will see that the initial resignation was submitted november 7th. which proposed the 16th, but the principal received her resignation and then the rescission for that. so the timeline that mr. bushman gave you would apply if that were the only thing, but she then submitted a rescission for that that doesn't show up in his timeline. then again when she was frustrated with the job again submitted a resignation, which she then again rescinded. so she has gone through this cycle twice. and what mr. bushman is giving you is action based on the first time that she did it and what we're following up is action based on the second. w

the unions are finished. whopping 20% of the workforce in michigan is one of the most unionized states in america. it's no coincidence that michigan is also the 46th worst state in unemployment. the unions know what is happening. they sense their demise. it's imminent. they're fighting to the bitter end. it won't matter. gor snider is doing what's best for the state? michigan is simply out of options. go to greg first but i'm listening to bob moo moan. what? union thuggery. >> bob: to say that the collective bargaining era is over, collective bargaining brought every worker in this country benefits that they would not otherwise have had. union people not with a strike mind and did it. from five-day work week to paid vacations to child labor laws, so kids wouldn't work in unsafe environment. all of those things. the guys can thank unions for. the idea to say there is an experiment. salmonella is an experiment. this is the basic heart of the american labor movement. it's crushed by this guy, this governor and th

under the union contract they were on their own time. agrees with the decision, can't change it, that's the example of the union's power. and tell us what you think about the workers getting their jobs back. and we'll read some on the air. more fantasy island in california, coming up after the break, why california's green energy policies just don't work and we're also going to bring you the opening bell and we've got more companies issuing special dividends before the end of the year. including the one that runs victoria's secrets. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that hes block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. relieving the pain quickly. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is comp

the union folks suggested that the non-union folks should have gotten union labor. ld not have fallen down. the police came in. we are okay at the moment. all call. connell: right now to corn prices. dagen: sandra smith has today's trade. sandra: influence is everything we do on a day-to-day basis. goldman is out with a big call. let me just give you some perspective. we have had three years of smaller corn crop. inventories are now at 839 year low. we have fallen about 14%. goldman is calling for an average price of 723 a bushel. they are calling for an average of 825 a bushel. that is another dollar gain from where we are today. if you look at a ten year chart, just to give you some perspective, there was a long time when core prices were a dollar 50 a bushel. how you can play this in the stock market. dagen: thank you, sandra smith. connell: we are waiting to hear from the speaker of the house, john boehner. dagen: stay right here on fox business and you will hear the speaker speak coming right up. ♪ dennis: i am dennis kneale. cheryl: i am cheryl casone. breaking

so why is the president, and why are the unions so upset? in this case, it is about the money. ally union dues, less money, means less political power, this is the offset to the right to work, the right to power, and the unions think that is their right. other states like idaho and oklahoma pass right-to-work laws their union dues paying membership, those unions, dues pay membership fell by 15%. down 15%. if that happens in michigan, the heritage foundation has come up with estimate to how much the unions in michigan would lose. that number is over $46 million a year in dues. michigan, just one state. nationwide, we're not talking about public employee unions yet. let's do so, nationwide government employee unions collect, are you ready for this number? that is taxpayer money, going in the form of wages to the government class, if you will, public employees receiving and paying $14 billion in dues alone. that is what is at stake here. this is not just about money, it is not just about politics, it is about both. the right to power sought by organized labor. where does that money

you have the choice not to join the union. then you are obligated to pay the administrative portion of the dues. you don't have to pay for political activity. that is what the law says. there have been cases where people thought they were being charged for political activities [talking over each other] [talking over each other] >> let me tell you why they should. the law requires that they get the benefits of collective bargaining. neil: that is making the assumption about the faulty 3% -- let me ask you about this. when you say to somebody. a guy gets fired. not a member of the union. the union is obligated to represent him in the termination action. neil: you made that up. >> i did not make that up. >> let me tell you the rest of it. >> you have a problem with adjusting to unions, if you are so great, standby your group. >> i'm not okay with freeloading. the max. neil: do you think this is a freeloading thing? two they shouldn't have to pay union dues. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] neil: with freeloading

the european union collect the nobel peace prize in oslo. >> the thousands of jobs under threat. carmaker opel halts production at one of its biggest plants in germany. >> and will he or won't he -- mario monti's back and forth on resignation casts uncertainty over italy's economic and political future. >> we begin the show with what has been a day of celebration for the european union. >> the three senior figures representing the eu have been in the norwegian capital, oslo, to collect the nobel peace prize. it was awarded to the 27-member bloc for six decades of promoting peace, democracy, and human rights. >> however, not everyone is happy. some have asked whether the price is justified at that time when the eu is mired in economic and financial -- the prize is justified at that time when the eu is mired in economic and financial crisis. desmond tutu says it is an organization based on military force. >> coveted award was accepted with pride by the eu's 3 president, martin schulz, herman van rompuy, and jose manuel barroso. the standing ovation they received was a rare accolade

last month we had our quarterly meeting with the trade unions. so this represents now one full-year since we first approved the pla. and we had updates on upcoming trade packages to make sure that the unions are informed of work that is coming down the pipeline. sorry, wrong mic. as well as reports on the progress that webcor has made in working with the veterans organizations in the bay area and we'll have ted wang from webcor come up and speak to that in a few minutes. as well as the work as the unions have done with tech 21 and local schools. so there has been a lot of good progress made on that front and there continues to be no work shortage issues or other impediments to our project. and we had no reportable incidents in safety in the last month. in terms of trade packages as you know at the last board meeting or the october board meeting we awarded the substructure package. $120 million on that package and the slide says the bids are due january 10th. we do through the question from bidders process have requests to extend that bid date and

opposition to the move the union was recognized for its efforts in promoting peace on the continent but people in oslo protested on the streets while several nobel laureates demanded the be stripped of the prize artie's peter all over explain shows what the people say they're on happy with. from our four little children. will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by but about him but by the content of back character. the one it can be probably would have become a laureate if the home be assassinated however the nobel peace prize is only awarded to a living person but this is when a test such trying terror especially when it comes to finances the announcement the european union was to pick up the twenty twelve gongs sparked heated debate the award was being discredited particularly after the outrage at who is picked it up recently see what's the e.u. done over the last twelve months to come vince the nobel committee it's with the of such a prestigious award. it supported regime change in foreign countries and several member states indulged in violent crackdowns on de

the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: but the unions arepinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do you ke of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like their back has been against the walls and have for a number of years. in michigan, this is the way we can be competitive. liste everyone talks about the great comeback in detroit in the auto sector, that's a mirage. michigan's in trouble, detroit is in trouble and this is how they compete on the national scale, ultimately, a global scale. >> neil: dagen? >> versignificant that this is happening and by the way, this is just the right to not have toay union dues i you don't want to belong to a union first and foremost. >> neil: and you got that. >> very significant that it's happening in the birthplace of the u.a.w. it could spread across the midwest if this gains momentum and if you look back. >> by the way those are not sunglass. >> i'm sorry. >> and what is he doing? > and i think he's a union buster. >> he's not nothing, not shouting. >> not him. >> and exactl