this is a restoration can begin a because when you're still in the state of fixing the unfixable, everythingt is engaged." >> it is so abusive to try to do that, too. everyone is on their heroes journey, but people don't need to be saved a rescue, especially by a tired grandmother trying to nag them and to be saving a different way. -- into behaving a different way. when someone has screwed up or come up empty, they are teachable. that is when i am. tavis: do we have to hit bottom to have this reality check? >> i don't think so. especially as you get older, you start to catch yourself tipping off into this kind of blame. usually, the default place i go to is, who to blame, how can i change them? getting older for me is that you align yourself, like turning in a radio station a little bit better because you know it is there. it is not off. when i was number, i had to hit -- the willingness came from the pain. when i had enough pain, i would say to god, bitterly, what? then i would be teachable. tavis: what do you imagine god must think about it the only way for us to learn -- you said you don