marcus would say this is as evil -- this shows how evil capitalistm is. there is overlap about the particular issue. >> how does the incident fit in with reason magazine? >> i see them as policy wants to help shape policy better. there are not doing anything radical. they are trying to say things like, rather than doing social security this way, we will do it this way. people think we have to do single payer health insurance. if we allow for competition, we could have health insurance that would be better than what we have. we tried to influence decisions on capitol hill. that is politically feasible, not likely. something that could happen. >> i wrote down a number of institutes you talked about in your book and i wanted to ask you about who finances these. the coke brothers were. you had a falling out with one of the founders. you mentioned the market this foundation. george mason. how does that fit in? >> another policy group, and i do not pay enough attention to them. >> the frazier institute. economics of the world report. >> i do not know where they