to cross-talk events in egypt i'm joined by carl sharon london he is a middle east blogger in cairo we have while he is a blogger and a journalist and in washington we crossed ratner he is a fellow at the truman national security project or a gentleman crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump.

to cross-talk events in egypt i'm joined by carl sharon london he is a middle east blogger in cairo we have while eskandar he is a blogger and a journalist and in washington we cross to ratner he is a fellow at the truman national security project all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want my very much encouraged karl in london what's going on here how do you look at it and because it looks like it's two step forward two steps back i mean what's in play in the egyptian revolution if it's even a revolution anymore. i think we have to put this in a more historical context of what revolutions go through and they take time and if you look in previous examples they would take five ten twenty years to settle onto something now the immediate context of what's happening in egypt is there was a process of change that resembled their evolution but in the aftermath of that there is no single authority that have stomped it's not active on what the meaning of the egyptian revolution is unfortunately the political opposition currently isn't kind of able