thank you very much right reverend marianne edgar budde, president john garvey and professor harold dean trulearmany thanks to each of you for an interesting conversation. >>> we have a special report now on one of the greatest tragedies of american history. the lynching of many thousands of african-americans. before the generation of people who remember such atrocities dies off, scholars are trying to record eyewitness accounts and what they're finding is not just graphic photos and consuming hate, but the ability of some of those most affected to forgive. >>> for two sisters who witnessed a lynching, memories still haunt. 94-year-old kathryn fletcher will never forget how her one-time classmate was murdered at st. joseph, missouri eight decades ago. >> they chained him to the back of a car and dragged him up and down the main street of the black neighborhood screaming, "this will happen to you so-and-sos" then they tranged him to a tree and set afire and burned his body. >> throughout the country from the civil war era well into the 20th century, african-american men, women and even some white

washington, d.c., john garvey, a lawyer and the president of the catholic university of america, and harold dean truleara professor of theology at the howard university divinity school. he joins us from philadelphia, where he is active in ministry to prisoners. welcome to you all. >> thank you. professor trulear, four years ago, for many people, there was an extraordinary mood of excitement and hope. what happened? >> well, i think what we were witnessing four years ago was sort of like a revival service. there was a real sense of expectancy, a real sense of hope. and like all revival services, at the end of the service, you've got to go out and get the work done. and some of the energy begins to dissipate, some of the hope begins to dissipate as you come up against the harsh realities in society. and i think it's just natural that the second time around, you don't have the same tup type of expectancy. i see the first time as a revival service, and now it's communion and renewal, healing. that's the kind of service moody see this time. >> bishop? >>le wiell, my sense is that th president really saw hims