joining me now is jamal simmons and michelle cottle for the daily beast. e, joe biden the listener. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> good to be here. >> thanks, rev. >> michelle, let me go to you first. what about this relationship works so well? >> very early on it was established that makes a great compliment for obama. but also persona. he's kind of warmer and more emotional than the president who's seen as cool and cerebral. highway has a lot of inside the beltway experience especially when it comes to dealing with capitol hill which president obama does not like to go up there a lot. and he plays a mean kind of inside game with careful negotiations whether it's the fiscal cliff or dealing with iraq or any number of diplomatic issues like dealing with the incoming chinese president. he's called on to handle these assignments. and it's worked out pretty well for the obama administration in a lot of different areas. >> now, jamal, a good manager knows how to deal with his team. and you know the president's team well. he goes to different people t

let's bring in nia maliqua henderson and michelle cottle. nia, it was really fascinating to watch.t was your take away? >> i remember covering this campaign in 2008. if you wanted a bad story ablt hillary clinton, you can go to the obama staffers. it was such a bitter rivalry. seeing them there was very much seeing this political power duo on stage. the chemistry there, i thought, was real and genuine and they almost could finish each other's sentences at points. very much, i thif, a great swan song for hillary clinton's four years, a great kickoff for her if she is thinking about 2016. she is gone from saying no way. she's ruled it out to, last night, not really answering a question saying essentially that she can't predict the future. in the meantime, over these next four years, we'll be watching to see what she does. and certainly, joe biden will, as well. >> well, before we go there, michelle, it was the president's idea to do this. listen to his explaining to why he wanted to do this. >> this is very improbable. i understand, mr. president, this was your idea. why didn't you w